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Offline Ian Currie

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Wheelchair users and manual call points.
« on: January 05, 2004, 03:33:34 PM »
Can anyone advise me? Our architects are wanting to drop the height of manual call points in a town hall to between 750mm to 1m to accommodate wheelchair users as part of compliance with the DDA.
This seems very low to me and way outside the BS recommendations. Should I accept and record it as a deviant? Seeing as how contractors work I have a vision of someone having to kneel down to sound the alarm. (Perhaps they could offer a quick prayer whilst they are at it.)
I thought about duplicating the call points at the two heights but feel that might be rather OTT. Has anyone else had this?

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2004, 02:01:12 AM »
This is way too low. BS 5839-1, as you know, recommends a height of 1.4m. It might not be quite as obvious, however, that it does allow a tolerance on this figure. You can reduce the height by 200mm without it being regarded a variation. So, 1.2 would be fine. This figure was chosen as representing no variation and within the tolerance as it is the height you put light switches at in dwellings to make them accessible for disabled people. I dint see the need for lower height. The code does allow an even lower height if it is likely that the first person to need to use a MCP will be wheelchair user, but this is really to cater for res care etc not a town hall. Unless you could establish that a wheelchair user is really likely to be the first person to raise an alarm, anything much lower than 1.2 would be a variation that would beed recorded and agreed by enforcing authority.
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Offline Ken Taylor

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2004, 09:21:58 AM »
At 750mm they would be at risk from damage (or even obstruction!) by trolleys and the like. 1200mm should be fine for wheel-chair users.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2004, 11:12:58 PM »
Thanks Colin and Ken,  that's very helpfull, 1.2 to 1.4m should be adequate for everyone using the hall.  Since the posting I tried a wheelchair and found I could reach up to over 1.8 metres, and I ain't tall!  Now then Mr Architect........

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2004, 10:25:36 AM »
You may wish to remind him that its not about acees for wheelchair users but access for everybody.

Put them too low and you're discriminating against somebody else.

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2004, 02:39:10 AM »
Yes, tall people like me. I might hurt my back bending to reach it and then I will be disabled. Woud be ok for you though Brian.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2004, 10:54:29 AM »
You're right I am very supple!

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2004, 10:21:18 PM »
.................... but not subtle.
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