Author Topic: Residential Care Guide (Read 28759 times)

Ken Taylor · « **Reply #30 on:** September 29, 2005, 11:28:39 AM »

As to bedroom doors onto corridors forming part of an escape route, I feel
that these should be 30min - particularly in view of the nature of occupants
and the need for many to be assisted to escape. Time to achieve evacuation
to a safe place is most important within the care sector and smokers may be
less able to prevent an associated fire or respond in its event. Staffing
levels may well be such that a staff member may be required to assist a
number of individual residents in the event of fire - all requiring
considerable time.

ian gough · « **Reply #31 on:** September 29, 2005, 07:54:13 PM »

PhilB: get yourself an up to date copy. I can assure you that, at the moment, only dead-end conditions are to be FR and sc! I've been aware for some time that there are differences in the myriad of codes - but what is correct?

PhilB · « **Reply #32 on:** September 29, 2005, 08:37:33 PM »

Thanks Ian. I cannot see the reasoning behind that. I would like to see all bedrooms enclosed in FR with SCs. As to what is correct......there are at present many guides that the responsible person, approved inspectors etc. can use ......and the latest effort appears to be the weakest of all.

Its full of wierd ideas.......what about the theory that 2.5 mins is reasonable escape time..i.e. 150 secs. Two thirds is start up time so they then calculate how far the occupants can travel in 50 secs to determine travel distance!!!

Has the world gone completely mad!!! Who has been consulted on this guidance?

colin todd · « **Reply #33 on:** September 30, 2005, 12:37:25 AM »

Stakeholders, Phillip, stakeholders.

PhilB · « **Reply #34 on:** September 30, 2005, 08:48:29 AM »

Thanks Collllin!

colin todd · « **Reply #35 on:** September 30, 2005, 01:52:19 PM »

Always a pleasure to help the man fae Moreton, Phillip.

ian gough · « **Reply #36 on:** September 30, 2005, 05:22:22 PM »

I have been a lone voice criticising the escape time here.

sophie · « **Reply #37 on:** September 30, 2005, 05:25:04 PM »

Phil

The 50secs to move from a compartment was originally suggested, and supported by empirical evidence, by Don Christain, who I believe was a respected HMI...but what do they know!

colin todd · « **Reply #38 on:** September 30, 2005, 06:42:04 PM »

Is that the same Don Christian who wrote a publication for BSI on fire safety in res care and said that the bedroom doors did not need to be s/c?

sophie · « **Reply #39 on:** September 30, 2005, 06:46:37 PM »

Probably! Not if you can get them out in 50 secs!

Sprinklers, S/c's and L1 AFD...they should get the lot and Fire Services should bin the CFOA policy on not turning out to these if they have too many uwfs

PhilB · « **Reply #40 on:** September 30, 2005, 09:16:30 PM »

The start up time theory of 2/3 total evac time was based on research carried out in entirely different circumstances.

What do you think start up time will be for a one legged arthritic confussed 95 year old who is heavily sedated?

? Don't think they can travel very far in 50 minutes either, let alone seconds!!!!

And what about staffing levels?

??

ian gough · « **Reply #41 on:** October 01, 2005, 10:02:02 AM »

I note that the N Ireland Guidance refers to staffing levels. That was brave of them!

colin todd · « **Reply #42 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:44:41 AM »

No, Ian, it was just sensible not brave. Now you have lost me Sophie. Where do you stand on all this?

ian gough · « **Reply #43 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:43:13 PM »

I suggest 'both' Colin. You sure wont see that in this guidance.

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