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Offline Messy

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Green BGU Test Frequency?
« on: July 23, 2016, 05:09:10 PM »
I have come across a building with about 60/70 green break glass units throughout. These locked doors do not open on the actuation of the fire alarm, but do fail open in a power cut.

The RP has no PPM system in place to check the operation of the units, indeed he doesn't even know how many units there are or their exact locations

I have had a word with my old mate Mr Google, but there is precious little information in relation to the frequency or nature of the routine testing

So can anyone please tip me off where I should be looking or even what the test frequency should be?

Many thanks

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2016, 03:32:10 PM »
IMHO  it's a bit of a judgement call on this one Messy. Strictly speaking 7273-4 does not apply as I see it because the locks are not connected to the fire alarm. Whether this is appropriate or not will be determined by the risk assessment but there was some guidance on this in Graham Shiels guide, now obsolete but never fully replaced. The fact is that if 7273-4 did apply the recommendation would be for a weekly test on the door release mechanisms throughout but the box would be treated as an alarm call point, once per year for all devices unless it was necessary to operate some more often due to the set up of alarm zones.

But in this case there will be no weekly test of the release mechanism as there is no link to the fire alarm. To me this, depending on the control set up,  represents a higher risk of individual failure but may pose less risk of general failure. If there is centralised control then you may consider treating it as a fire alarm and testing all zones weekly. If it is individual devices operating independently the risk of failure is higher but the consequences may be lower. But this is my greatest concern- is it appropriate to the risk? Who uses it, what will they expect to happen, will they know they have to sound the alarm as well as operating the green BGU? Do the Public use the doors or trained staff? If you cannot test all door releases centrally then more frequent tests of each break unit may be justified but I don't think you will find any specific guidance on frequency.

Just my opinion, probably will be corrected by others, but there appears to be no specific guidance on this.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2016, 05:05:59 PM by kurnal »

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 08:03:48 PM »
"Graham Shiels guide"???

I don't think I am familiar with this document, do you have a copy that I could take a look at?

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 10:11:16 PM »
IMHO  it's a bit of a judgement call on this one Messy. Strictly speaking 7273-4 does not apply as I see it because the locks are not connected to the fire alarm. Whether this is appropriate or not will be determined by the risk assessment but there was some guidance on this in Graham Shiels guide, now obsolete but never fully replaced. The fact is that if 7273-4 did apply the recommendation would be for a weekly test on the door release mechanisms throughout but the box would be treated as an alarm call point, once per year for all devices unless it was necessary to operate some more often due to the set up of alarm zones.

But in this case there will be no weekly test of the release mechanism as there is no link to the fire alarm. To me this, depending on the control set up,  represents a higher risk of individual failure but may pose less risk of general failure. If there is centralised control then you may consider treating it as a fire alarm and testing all zones weekly. If it is individual devices operating independently the risk of failure is higher but the consequences may be lower. But this is my greatest concern- is it appropriate to the risk? Who uses it, what will they expect to happen, will they know they have to sound the alarm as well as operating the green BGU? Do the Public use the doors or trained staff? If you cannot test all door releases centrally then more frequent tests of each break unit may be justified but I don't think you will find any specific guidance on frequency.

Just my opinion, probably will be corrected by others, but there appears to be no specific guidance on this.

Thanks for your commenst so far

Kurnal - There are around 60 individual break glass override units (nobody knows the true figure yet) within this building. Just a few are at final exits, however the majority are distributed throughout the premises.

The resp person involved is a low fire risk scientific & medical research establishment. There are high value (monetary and commercial sensitivity) goods, so the premises have various security layers throughout the premises, some staff having restricted access to parts.

There is no central control as these are stand alone units - I have been having a bit of a headache about this, but due to the nature of the business, and the fact that there are absolutely no public & visitors will be accompanied - I believe there is a justification not to link the units to the AFD

It would be very difficult and perhaps disproportionate to test all 60(ish) every week, as assuming a 2 minute test per device (including completing paperwork) and a 3 minute walk between units - that's 5 hours a week - and more if the results need entering on a database! So I am considering three options

A) Testing say 5 per week (at the same time as the fire alarm) which means they all get tested quarterly.

B) Assess the location of each unit and provide it with a high or low risk rating based on the numbers of staff expected to use that route, and the expected fire growth rate of the area they would be evacuating from. The higher risk units would attract a more frequent test than the lower risk units.

C) Test 15 or so per week (on the same day - so 1.5hrs work a week which still sounds a long time to me), so all units are tested monthly

Any comments???


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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 11:04:38 PM »
Are these magnetic units or electromechanical? If electromechanical do they require power to lock or power to unlock? There's more potential points of failure with electromechanical locks which might indicate more frequent testing than simple, pinless magnetic locks.

I guess  FRA guidance would lead you towards a connection between the security system and the alarm, whilst recognising that there may be circumstances where this is inappropriate, for example high value, high societal risk and secure premises.

All in all I don't think you will go wrong with any decision you make messy, you are obviously obviously giving it a great deal of thought and in the absence of any specific guidance your risk assessment will be as valid as anybody else's judgement.

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 11:09:52 PM »
Idlefire it was an early document published by IFE and CACFOA if I recall, it is now long obsolete but in common with so many older standards and guidance includes useful snippets of information omitted from current guidance. I will try and make time to scan it this week unless someone else already has a scanned copy?

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 08:42:39 AM »
Idlefire it was an early document published by IFE and CACFOA if I recall, it is now long obsolete but in common with so many older standards and guidance includes useful snippets of information omitted from current guidance. I will try and make time to scan it this week unless someone else already has a scanned copy?

Thanks Kurnal, much appreciated.

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 09:49:39 AM »

I guess  FRA guidance would lead you towards a connection between the security system and the alarm, whilst recognising that there may be circumstances where this is inappropriate, for example high value, high societal risk and secure premises.


I agree Kurnal, both Article 40 guidance and Approved Document B prescribe linking electro-magnetic locking devices on the means of escape to release upon actuation of the fire alarm system, in which case testing would be to BS7273; although I am not sure without checking, if BS7273 actually includes a physical test of the green "break-glass box" override itself or merely the relay from the fire alarm system.  If however a competent fire risk assessor is comfortable to operate outside the benchmark standards it is academic either way because, as you said in an earlier post, BS7273 relates to devices connected to the fire alarm system.

So, if there is no appropriate standard we are effectively left with device that is connected directly to the mains electrical supply which, if fitted correctly, interrupts the electrical supply to the locking device.  Such devices do not appear to fall within the definition of a portable electrical device so, by default, must be part of the fixed electrical installation and therefore, would it not be included in the Fixed Installation Test?

Please do not accept this as a definitive answer, it is merely a train of thought that I would be exploring in a similar situation.
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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2016, 04:41:03 PM »
Another way of looking at the units is what they are securing. If the door is along an escape corridor then a regular test would be required and probably these should be linked to the fire alarm system. However they are securing a door into a laboratory or room and it could possibly be left to the people using that particular room.
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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2016, 08:07:53 PM »
"Graham Shiels guide"???

I don't think I am familiar with this document, do you have a copy that I could take a look at?


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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2016, 03:00:59 PM »


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Thanks Kurnal, much appreciated.

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 12:09:38 AM »
Big Al why on earth do you think that a green BGU is not within the scope of BS 7273-4.
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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 09:06:58 AM »
I said why in my first response Colin. And my comments were specific to Messys scenario.

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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2016, 09:08:37 PM »
Nope Big Al, still dont get it.  Am I missing something.
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Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2016, 10:29:39 PM »
It's an old exit control system that was installed when bs7273-4 was still a figment of your imagination. There is no interface between the exit control system and the fire alarm system.

It appears that the fire risk assessment concludes that such an interface is not a requirement for the protection of relevant persons. This is catered for in the RRO guidance.

I can find no guidance in 7273-4 on the frequency of testing for green BGUs that are NOT part of an system connected to a fire alarm system.

Benchmark guidance is that ideally it should be connected but it would be an unusual BS that rendered entire systems obsolete and requiring replacement on publication, in an enforcement regime founded in risk assessment. As an example My ford Anglia still passes its MOT without seat belts.