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Offline Fairway123

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2017, 11:04:38 AM »
OK so here is a link to the item we used : http://www.strandhardware.co.uk/products/motortouchbar.html

As mentioned, on the entry site it has an access control hooked up to it. Then on the egress it has a push bar. BCO was fine with it and it certainly solved our problem.

Hope this helps.

Offline Tom Sutton

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2017, 03:46:49 PM »
Thanks guys for your responses, however I am still the none wiser, my own opinion is the CLG guide is correct, they should be risk assessed, as not all FRS,s would block them, it would depend on the circumstances.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 02:26:09 PM »
Thanks F123
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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 11:08:44 PM »
Thanks guys for your responses, however I am still the none wiser, my own opinion is the CLG guide is correct, they should be risk assessed, as not all FRS,s would block them, it would depend on the circumstances.

I am with you on this one Tom, Article 50 guidance is written in support of the Order and therefore sets out the benchmark standards for the fire authorities that enforce it; notwithstanding, both risk assessors and fire authorities do need to be aware of any relevant British Standards and have due regard for them.

In my experience and from memory the conditions in Article 50 guidance are so onerous, where large numbers of members of public are present, that they defeat the object of fitting a magnetic locking device in the first place.

I suppose that really it's up to the RP to convince the fire authority with their risk assessment in each specific case.

Then of course there's the inconsistency between fire authorities that always needs to be considered; I am not personally aware of any "assured advice" or determinations on this issue.

Might be helpful to share the specific scenario you have in mind Tom, or are you just hypothesizing?
 

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 11:27:36 PM »
Tom, for the record, Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue Service's Electronic Locks - Procedure and Guidance (2013) states (in bold wording): "Licensed premises and large public assembly buildings (stadium etc) will be unsuitable for electronic devices on the exit doors".
« Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 11:29:52 PM by idlefire »

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 11:54:22 PM »
Yay, they may speak funny and eat mushy peas and chip butties but when it comes to fire safety they know a thing or two.  (Yes, I know Big Al, this is not politically correct, so consider me self-certified as duly told off).
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Offline Tom Sutton

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 04:02:44 PM »
idlefire when you get to my age, hypothesizing is all that's left other than going to the toilet half a dozen times a night, what is was, I am a subscriber to another forum and the question was asked of me and I needed help.

I would accept the Manchester FRS guidance which says unsuitable which does not forbid completely, I think unacceptable does.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 04:09:14 PM by Tom Sutton »
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2017, 08:46:37 PM »
Guidance is as it says... guidance, and not you must or must not do.

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Re: BS7273-4:2015 p.44, Table B.2
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2017, 10:23:53 AM »
True brucey baby but the FRS use it as a benchmark and sometimes more.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2017, 06:07:03 PM »
My experience Tom is you're dead right