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Offline Messy

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Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« on: August 17, 2017, 08:35:11 PM »
Has anyone any experience of introducing a management system to control the numbers of staff excused from participating in a fire drill?

In certain establishments, its clear critical staff would need to be excused to keep plant and building services running, secure the premises and perhaps man telephones etc if a critical service is provided.

I am dealing with a site where a system is in place where managers authorise key staff to stay in post. They are issued with a coloured ID card lanyard which excuses staff when confronted by fire wardens or senior managers.

Currently the system is abused as it is local line managers who are giving authorisation, often for non key staff to complete work to meet deadlines, or for meetings that have been 'difficult or expensive to arrange' etc. Currently just over 5% of staff are excused - a figure that I feel is far too high and not exactly how the plan was envisaged when introduced

I have suggested principle managers or a small panel of managers independent from the team requesting to be excused make the decision - or senior staff identify staff to be excused as a permanent part of the process. Both ideas have been rejected.

Without some control, fire wardens get demotivated and 'resign', and staff see others 'getting away with it' and claim they have been excused on the next drill leading to drill anarchy !!

Any ideas????

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2017, 11:59:52 AM »
Just organise a drill but don't inform any one so they will presume it is a real evacuation and see what they 'special staff' do. If they don't evacuate they will have to be re-trained. How many people are in this building? I am not familiar  with evacuations in secure establishments such as military or power plants but they must have something in place that works. 

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2017, 01:21:00 PM »
I normally advise that if there are significant numbers of persons required who are necessary for the operation/security of the premises, then assuming they have stand-ins for when they are not there, (which of course they must have if they are essential), then a second drill is undertaken at the same financial cost of the first one, on a different day, to reduce confusion.

Its amazing how the numbers of excused staff drop to a more sensible level.

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 06:01:15 PM »
Just organise a drill but don't inform any one so they will presume it is a real evacuation and see what they 'special staff' do. If they don't evacuate they will have to be re-trained.

Which may be cheaper than replacing them after the originals have died in a real fire.

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 07:10:54 PM »
Just organise a drill but don't inform any one so they will presume it is a real evacuation and see what they 'special staff' do. If they don't evacuate they will have to be re-trained.

Which may be cheaper than replacing them after the originals have died in a real fire.

I am afraid a 'no notice' drill is not feasible. There are many situations where a full evacuation cannot taken place at any time other than a genuine fire. I just want to introduce an improved verification system to control numbers not taking place in the drill. A second drill within 12 months is not possible for technical reasons and frankly, its over the top as the risk is relatively low

 

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 02:15:47 AM »
I don't think this is satisfactory at all.  What is the point of doing a drill if a significant proportion of people can wave a get-out-of-jail-free card and ignore it?  I fully understand the fire wardens getting fed up and resigning their positions.  Also, those who do evacuate must wonder why they bother.

If there are legitimate reasons for some people to not evacuate, and I accept that there are in many premises (e.g. theatre staff in hospitals, Smaritans counsellors, air traffic control staff, etc), then there must be 1) a robust rationale in each case demonstrating the safety reasons why they are exempt, and 2) bespoke escape procedures in place in each case demonstrating that these individuals' safety is not compromised by their remaining for some period after the evacuation signal has sounded, or 3) safety measures built into the building (such as compartmentation) making it safe for these people to remain in place (e.g. control room staff in a shopping mall).


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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2017, 01:22:59 PM »
Are the Company fire policies and procedures documented? Are they appropriate? Are specific duties and responsibilities delegated to nominated persons? Does any policy/ procedure documented, give concession to specific persons/roles to remain in situ during tests and practices of fire drills? If so, is there further detail considering 'hand off' times prior to evacuation? When an alarm activation is not known to be a drill, i.e. possibly real fire, do these person evacuate immediately or still have a hand off period? Are they going to stay put when their work space is on fire?

Work it down, cover any deficiency and make your recommendation and give an action plan...

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Re: Management System for Excusing Staff From Fire Drills??
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2017, 09:32:19 PM »
The other option is to not bother with drills at all:

https://www.ioshmagazine.com/article/whats-drill
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