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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: nearlythere on April 13, 2011, 09:18:02 AM
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This from a Fire Safety provider's website in Northern Ireland.
Should it be nominated for an international award for providing such services to the community?
Think I will have a word with Trading Standards.
Case Studies
Please see a list of testimonials below:
The Importance of Fire Doors - £30 Door Closer Unit saves the lives of 60 children!
PROBLEM:
********** carried out a Fire Risk Assessment on a nursery that cared for 60 children, as well as accommodating 40 other adults. The assessment recommended that a self-closing device be fitted onto an existing fire door that was regularly left open by staff members. ********* highlighted the significance of the corridor, which is situated on the only escape route in the building.
SOLUTION:
Although the client was initially hesitant to implement ********* Ltd’s recommended changes, they were convinced of the importance of the route by the ********* Assessor and installed the correct closing device.
RESULT:
Three months later a six month old condenser tumble dryer went on fire inside the laundry room, with the fire door firmly shut by the new closing device. The damage to the laundry room was considerable, but the corridor outside the room was unaffected and protected, keeping it smoke free and safe to evacuate all users of the building. The Fire Risk Assessment carried out by ******* could well have saved the lives of many members of the public.
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Very good, In my opinion if they obviously wanted the door left open due to regular use and persons carrying heavy loads a fire door retainer should of also been requested.
The Self closer could of presented another problem and clashed with the norm of having that door open. This surely should of been thought about too?
If you solve one problem that could of lead to another.
In this instance it didn't but there are plenty of cases where it has.
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This from a Fire Safety provider's website in Northern Ireland.
Should it be nominated for an international award for providing such services to the community?
Think I will have a word with Trading Standards.
Case Studies
Please see a list of testimonials below:
The Importance of Fire Doors - £30 Door Closer Unit saves the lives of 60 children!
PROBLEM:
********** carried out a Fire Risk Assessment on a nursery that cared for 60 children, as well as accommodating 40 other adults. The assessment recommended that a self-closing device be fitted onto an existing fire door that was regularly left open by staff members. ********* highlighted the significance of the corridor, which is situated on the only escape route in the building.
SOLUTION:
Although the client was initially hesitant to implement ********* Ltd’s recommended changes, they were convinced of the importance of the route by the ********* Assessor and installed the correct closing device.
RESULT:
Three months later a six month old condenser tumble dryer went on fire inside the laundry room, with the fire door firmly shut by the new closing device. The damage to the laundry room was considerable, but the corridor outside the room was unaffected and protected, keeping it smoke free and safe to evacuate all users of the building. The Fire Risk Assessment carried out by ******* could well have saved the lives of many members of the public.
This wouldn't be from a company whose initiala are FSS would it mate??
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Yes AKA FSS. This is a limited company. Limited as in knowledge as it quotes incorrect legislation on its website.
It does lay claim to being IFE Approved though.
Something none of the rest of us knew is that NI Fire & Rescue Service can issue on the spot fines.
This from the website:-
"Protection from Fines – Fire Brigade are the Enforcing Authority and can issue up to £5,000 per offence." Interesting.
It also states on its website:-
IFE Approved
All of our assessors have passed our Institution of Fire Engineers approved Fire Risk Assessment course.
Does the IFE "Approve" businesses and FRA Courses.
I have asked it for advice as to how I can get IFE Approval.
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"By having the Fire Risk Assessment carried out professionally you will not only save time but also save money as we pride ourselves in getting the client to minimum legal compliance level in the most cost effective route"
It mentions minimum legal compliance a few times in its website. I wonder if CT knows of the course they did?
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You guys are being a little unfair, not everyone can write and speak proper like wot we can. For real. :P
"Protection from Fines – Fire Brigade are the Enforcing Authority and can issue up to £5,000 per offence."- I wonder if its like a parking ticket and its cheaper to pay earlier.
Piglet, i believe the course is called marketing 101
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haha
I think it was that course via www.wotiwrote.com
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Piglet
Do they do any courses on computing, I couldn't get the link to work ::) ::)
davo
ps where can I buy a fire rated door closer for 30 quid ???
pps one of your devices would have been better, eh, (worth a beer at your stand for the plug ;D)
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Come and say hello and you can only have a beer, I'll even let you stroke the owl :o
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I'll even let you stroke the owl :o
...How very dare you! It's a public event you know!
Anyway back to the thread. On one hand who is to say their lovely little door closer didnt contribute, in part, to preventing fire or smoke spread, during the blaze, and ultimately protect the safety of the buildings occupants you bunch of sceptics ?
On the other hand several claims, and the excessive use of writer's license on their website does make me think it's all a bit of moo poo. £30 door closer?. Come on now. Fire Brigades can issue £5000 fines? Yikes... can they? Im frightened to step outside the house !
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Yes AKA FSS. This is a limited company. Limited as in knowledge as it quotes incorrect legislation on its website.
It does lay claim to being IFE Approved though.
Something none of the rest of us knew is that NI Fire & Rescue Service can issue on the spot fines.
This from the website:-
"Protection from Fines – Fire Brigade are the Enforcing Authority and can issue up to £5,000 per offence." Interesting.
It also states on its website:-
IFE Approved
All of our assessors have passed our Institution of Fire Engineers approved Fire Risk Assessment course.
Does the IFE "Approve" businesses and FRA Courses.
I have asked it for advice as to how I can get IFE Approval.
Funny,I'd happened upon their website via a google on local competion/opportunities for future employment and noiced a few issues with their site.
The first was the fact that they are saying that it is a requirement under BS5839 that your fire alarm is serviced quarterly and that they can bring your system up to 5839 from £1400.By a strange coincidence,one of their guys joined the engineers forum so I tackled him on both points and,in particular,how do they justify charging someone £1400 if they only needed an extra MCP to bring it up to spec? He didn't know it said any of that and would pass it on.
Don't think I'll be punting my CV there!
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I was told that they informed a sheltered housing operator they employ a former chief fire officer to do their fire risk assessments.
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This is what I and others are losing service contracts to - it's VERY frustrating to say the least when the client goes down the blinded by a bit of science and a cheap service quote.
I like the chance of winning a weekend for 4 in the Fitzwilliam though,I've only driven past it.
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I note that this company uses the IFE logo on its website and states it operates an IFE approved fire risk assessment course.
I attach a link to the IFE website of approved training providers.
http://www.ife.org.uk/edutrain/approvedcoursesatoz/fireriskassessment
I also note the FIA logo is used on the home page of the website. Here is a link to the FIA website where member companies are listed.
http://www.fia.uk.com/en/Our_members/index.cfm
I have asked the FIA head office if this company is a member and entitled to use the logo.
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I note that this company uses the IFE logo on its website and states it operates an IFE approved fire risk assessment course.
I attach a link to the IFE website of approved training providers.
http://www.ife.org.uk/edutrain/approvedcoursesatoz/fireriskassessment
I also note the FIA logo is used on the home page of the website. Here is a link to the FIA website where member companies are listed.
http://www.fia.uk.com/en/Our_members/index.cfm
I have asked the FIA head office if this company is a member and entitled to use the logo.
Don't be shutting them down until I win the hotel break!
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Compare the Surrey website with the NI one. Interesting! Why are we being so coy about the identity of this company.
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Thomas Google soon finds the source of the story.
Buzz as you know we are just a forum for the exchange of views, we have no powers to do anything to anybody.
But I think it legit to check on peoples credentials isn't it?
I have to pay a wad and jump through hoops to use the FIA logo. Likewise with those companies who pay to have their courses accredited by the IFE. I have no idea if this is genuine or misuse of either logo thats why I am careful not to make any accusations abut anything. Some companies have a number of trading names and only register one of these with the owner of the logo artwork.
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Thomas Google soon finds the source of the story.
Buzz as you know we are just a forum for the exchange of views, we have no powers to do anything to anybody.
But I think it legit to check on peoples credentials isn't it?
I have to pay a wad and jump through hoops to use the FIA logo. Likewise with those companies who pay to have their courses accredited by the IFE. I have no idea if this is genuine or misuse of either logo thats why I am careful not to make any accusations abut anything. Some companies have a number of trading names and only register one of these with the owner of the logo artwork.
I was only talking in jest Kurnal - this company is based in Belfast and operates solely within NI (but I may be wrong) but there's absolutely nothing in stopping anyone checking up on credentials and testimonials.
For my tuppence worth,for having such a large customer base etc. I had never heard of them until I stumbled across them on a google.
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Compare the Surrey website with the NI one. Interesting! Why are we being so coy about the identity of this company.
Actually,as it's in the public domain I don't know Tom - http://www.firesafetysolutionsni.co.uk/index.asp
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I found another candidate. http://www.deleted by Kurnal.php I also found http://www.deleted by Kurnal.com/index.php and there are others ? http://www.fire-deleted by Kurnal.com/
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The issue I and others have are from an engineers POV - some of the claims in the area of servicing are way off in my opinion.
I believe that internet advertising now falls within trading standards.
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Tom I dont believe we should start a campaign here to publicly list companies using the IFE or FIA Logo, one of those you name is certainly a member of both organisations and runs IFE accredited courses, I just dont know about the others or what the set up is.
If we list them here we not only give them free publicity but also increase their scoring on the search engines.
I suggest that if you have concerns the best action would be to drop a line direct to the IFE or FIA and send them the link. I know from past experience that the FIA will take action to stop unauthorized use of their logo.
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The company in question looks like a fire extinguisher and alarm firm doing FRA's & 'free surveys' to sell product.
A free no obligation survey is there to sell - overheads, wages, rent, etc all still have to be paid for and they wouldn't last long if they did these all the time and said 'all is fine'.
I'd love to do a hidden camera sting with a premises that is OK and see what they find wrong with the extinguishers/alarm/signs/etc and see how they try and get the manager to do the works....
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kurnal My concern is we seem to be discussing different companies, the one I found has all the points raised by NT and is not the company Buzz identified or the company AB refers to, as they only conduct fire risk, health safety assessments and training. The company I identified does have a number of branches or could be a franchises and as you said one of those is certainly a member of both organisations and runs IFE accredited courses. Like you I just don't know about the others or what the set up is and maybe they have the right to carry those logos as the website sites are very similar?
Before I went official I would need to know a lot more about the setup but I do agree the content of some does leave a lot to be desired.
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kurnal My concern is we seem to be discussing different companies, the one I found has all the points raised by NT and is not the company Buzz identified or the company AB refers to, as they only conduct fire risk, health safety assessments and training. The company I identified does have a number of branches or could be a franchises and as you said one of those is certainly a member of both organisations and runs IFE accredited courses. Like you I just don't know about the others or what the set up is and maybe they have the right to carry those logos as the website sites are very similar?
Before I went official I would need to know a lot more about the setup but I do agree the content of some does leave a lot to be desired.
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The company I ID'd is the one NT was talking about originally.
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Yes Tom I agree. Thanks for your concern which I know is founded within your values of fairness and justice.
I have already asked the question in respect of the website Nearlythere quoted. I will find out about the status of the others in another way and will let you know by pm as soon as I have an answer.