Author Topic: To have, or not to have extinguishers (Read 14560 times)

Chris Houston · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2006, 04:57:17 PM »

Quote from: jokar

Chris is right about the Insurers though, any reason not to pay out and they will avoid it.

Insurers expect their customers to manage their risks. This is why they will probably not be too happy if one does not provide cover.

This needs should be agreed before the fire, not argued about after one.

TallyHo · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2006, 11:59:56 PM »

In many cases when someone discovers a fire and the old adrenalin kicks in, they will try to put the fire out even if there are no extinguishers available (like in most houses). They will then use anything they can get their hands on, like jugs of water, towels, blankets, coats etc. Surely it is better to provide them with an extinguisher which is specifically designed to put the fire out and to be easily operated. By using an extinguisher I would say that there is actually less chance of them being injured than trying to put the fire out with a coat.

Extinguishers are used on fires over 70,000 times a year; how many people are injured in the process?

How many people are injured trying to put a fire out by other means?

Pip · « **Reply #17 on:** November 27, 2006, 12:45:28 PM »

Quote from: ian gough

Pip,

You don't need a life safety sprinkler system for a school - even in this case.

quite right, I was trying to suggest that if you did have a 'life' system'there are some additional relaxations that some building controls allow.Still waiting for a definitive document, that CFOA are apparently working on.

Richard Earl · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:55:23 AM »

hi all
just a few things

1 if an engineer is working on a n item of danger they MUST have their own extinguisher
2 Nottingham County Council have fitted sprinklers in new schools as well as extinguishers.
3 a local housing group want to remove ALL extinguishers from ALL houses and offices which we have advised they shouldnt without asking the insurance AND fire officer, as you must provide protection to intervening forces, IE fire extinguishers

also can anyone help me with a fire alarm in a cinema in long eaton i think it should have detection in the escape routes but it hasnt!!!! HELP

richard (tecserv)

ian gough · « **Reply #19 on:** November 28, 2006, 09:14:34 AM »

Pip,

I'm not aware of any document currently being worked on by CFOA in relation to relaxations for life safety sprinklers etc. However, they have just published a document (I suspect is the one to which you refer) but this gives case studies only.

A more authoritive document in relation to sprinklers and 'relaxations' has been produced by Arup Fire in conjunction with BAFSA and is available from BAFSA via their website - unfortunately though at a small cost.

Pip · « **Reply #20 on:** November 28, 2006, 01:46:57 PM »

Yes, I think you could be right, my boss was working in the local region on it and I was expecting a definitive guidance document, rather than a 'heres what is going on out there' one.If there could be some national guidance from the government on what are acceptable relaxations, it would make it easier to promote them if we can quote the offsets in cost.At the moment it is still adhoc.

ian gough · « **Reply #21 on:** November 28, 2006, 08:19:09 PM »

Pip,
Take a look at 'A Guide to Automatic Water Suppression Systems (AWSS) and their Practical Application' published by CFOA. That may be the guide to which you are referring.
Currently, S Yorkshire have loads of them!

wee brian · « **Reply #22 on:** November 28, 2006, 08:23:28 PM »

Err - a definitve guide on what you can do as an alternative to compliance with err, definitive guidance is a bit of a challenge.......

I am sure CFOA have done their research Ian? or is it just 'sprinklers-R-us' again?

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Author Topic: To have, or not to have extinguishers (Read 14560 times)

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