Author Topic: Fire Safety changes in Scotland (Read 14936 times)

Ricardo · « **on:** July 24, 2006, 06:36:45 PM »

At last, some info for the Scots, I was beginning to get a little worried, as I hadn't heard anything positive.

www.infoscotland.com/firelaw

wee brian · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2006, 09:07:22 AM »

Everything you need to know in one 19 page guide!!!!!

I thought they were doing something bigger. Perhaps they saw the writing on the wall. Or maybe they dipped into the Firenet Forum?

??

afterburner · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2006, 02:51:47 PM »

There will in fact be 9 sector specific guide books issued which will detail advice and guidance for particular users. Those will be the something bigger. The first draft document has been well received. We await publication of the series!

wee brian · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2006, 09:59:22 AM »

It wasn't well received by me!!!

There is no mention of the guides on the new website. I wondered if they had bottled out.

afterburner · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2006, 03:16:11 PM »

Evidently the Scottish Guide creators are not going to rush them all out in time for October. There will a small number available with others to follow when they are ready. The draft consultation guide for offices and shops closes for responses in mid September. So, rather than bottling out, perhaps they are spending time getting it right.

jokar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2006, 04:18:50 PM »

You mean that they have looked at the E&W version looked at the errors and cut out the crap and are going to have some decent guidance then?

Ricardo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2006, 02:42:17 PM »

Check out the following link

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2006/08/01103541

novascot · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:05:54 PM »

Wee Brian,

I don't know what you read with 19 pages but the Fire Safety Guidance booklet issued by the Scottish Executive has 31 pages. I also have a copy of the draft Offices, Shops & similar premises Guidance document. This document has 91 pages including the Technical Annexes. It would be interesting for you E & W based people to have a look and compare.

kurnal · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:08:08 PM »

Please can someone tell me where I can download a copy of the Scottish docs- dont mind if its 19 or 31 pages but despite the publicity I cant find a link to the document itself!!

Paul · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:42:45 PM »

Kurnal,

This is the only link I have, although it is the 19 page doc. I think you'll find there is not two different versions. This is it.

If you look on the PDF doc itself it reads as 31 pages. If you read the Acrobat reader info, it tells you there are 19 pages. This is where the mistery ends I think??

http://www.infoscotland.com/firelaw/files/Summary_Guide_Full_doc.pdf

Paul

novascot · « **Reply #10 on:** August 14, 2006, 11:00:50 AM »

I have the general guidance booklet. It is on my table right now and there are 32 pages. The PDF version for download is 19 pages. The last page is blank, so 31 printed pages, A5. Beleive me. Same info though so not a problem. Was I being pedantic?

The Guidance for Offices and Shops is out for consultation to stakeholders and others. It is quite a substantial document and has copied a fair bit re Fire Risk Assessments from the Employers guide but the rest is clear and concise with perhaps too much information for a lay person to understand. As I see it there will be a few tweaks before the final publication. Consultation finishes on the 15th Sept.2006

kurnal · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:29:27 PM »

Thanks Paul.
Its interesting that the information on recording the significant findings goes in a different direction than the english guidance- yet the source legislation is identical as far as I recall.
I have not read through the whole document in detail yet but the whole feel of the document is to my eyes more formal and authoritative than the tone applied south of the border.

novascot · « **Reply #12 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:58:13 PM »

Kurnel,

when you say "source legislation is identical" , I take it you mean: the sources of information were identical because the Legislation is far from being identical. The information sources were identified and interpreted in different ways because of the inherent differences in Building Standards and Law. The source legislation which is being withdrawn are identical, in the main.

The Scottish Executive want exactly the opposite from being formal and authoritive. ala The Enforcement Concordat. Maybe it is the way we speak which is confrontational. haha

afterburner · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:06:08 PM »

Novascot has this right. The draft documents offering guidance on 'Care Homes', followed by 'Offices & Shops' are indeed substantial and lengthy documents. Asking whether we simply trawled through the E&W versions of similar documents, cutting out all the doubtful bits is a bit off the mark. We wanted to get it right within the Scottish legislative requirements. so, starting with those documents would not have helped. As for not recieiving a draft copy Wee Brian, are you on the draft discussion group to receive a copy? Did they miss you out?

wee brian · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2006, 10:31:19 PM »

Oh I got a copy - some time ago - I wasn't that impressed. Not sure if we are talking about the same doc though.

News:

Author Topic: Fire Safety changes in Scotland (Read 14936 times)