Gent 800

[Kevin]

We have added additional devices to this system but is reporting map change fault.

[Allen Higginson]

Dont take offence but are you Gent trained??

[kurnal]

Kevin
I'm not a techie- I only drive the things I dont try to fix them- but I think that if you add devices to a loop you need to manually allocate an outstation number / loop address to the device and then save the new configuration to the memory card.

And if this is cobblers no doubt someone will tell us so! (Thats why I dont meddle with the works)

[Thebeardedyorkshireman]

Kurnal.... Sorry mate but its Shoemakers! They allocate their own address in software.

Kevin. Gent 800 is a very old system to start with, so making modifications can be tricky even if you are a Gent SI. The best way forward is to get some help on site or you will be there forever.
Dave

[kurnal]

Thanks Dave

better stick to pipe and slippers!

[Allen Higginson]

Kurnal.... Sorry mate but its Shoemakers! They allocate their own address in software.

Kevin. Gent 800 is a very old system to start with, so making modifications can be tricky even if you are a Gent SI. The best way forward is to get some help on site or you will be there forever.
Dave

They allocate via SAFE on commissioning stage but you can manually allocate additional devices (which I wont go into!!).
The 800 is a budget single loop along the same lines as the old 3200 system.I don't think (and I'll stand corrected!) that it's an old system.Not having dealt with one directly,I assume its the retrofit for the 3200.

[Thebeardedyorkshireman]

Hmmmm! Where do we start here.
1. Gents have never manufactured a system 3200.
2.There is no comms tool facility on 800, therefore SAFE ( Safe Address Firmware Encoded) is not available.
3. You cannot manually allocate additional devices.
4. 800 was a budget 1 loop, conventional head addressable base system using the Esser (German) bus and bears no resemblance to the true annalogue, 2 loop system 32000 ( which I presume you alude to).
5.It would be a tricky proposition to retrofit a 3200 (32000) with a 800 panel even if you could obtain one of these obsolete devices.... Dont try this at home children.

Sorry for the delay in my responce but I have been undertaking my research with Gents and a number of my own ex Gents/ Gents trained staff.
I stand by my original comments.
Dave

[Allen Higginson]

Hmmmm! Where do we start here.
1. Gents have never manufactured a system 3200.
2.There is no comms tool facility on 800, therefore SAFE ( Safe Address Firmware Encoded) is not available.
3. You cannot manually allocate additional devices.
4. 800 was a budget 1 loop, conventional head addressable base system using the Esser (German) bus and bears no resemblance to the true annalogue, 2 loop system 32000 ( which I presume you alude to).
5.It would be a tricky proposition to retrofit a 3200 (32000) with a 800 panel even if you could obtain one of these obsolete devices.... Dont try this at home children.

Sorry for the delay in my responce but I have been undertaking my research with Gents and a number of my own ex Gents/ Gents trained staff.
I stand by my original comments.
Dave

Hands up when wrong - I had my true analogue head on!
Just clear one thing up for me - what was the system which also used the conventonal head with "zone" modules that came up the zone and device number (you had to look it up in the book under the flap) - was it the 2400??

[Wiz]

Hmmmm! Where do we start here.
1. Gents have never manufactured a system 3200.
2.There is no comms tool facility on 800, therefore SAFE ( Safe Address Firmware Encoded) is not available.
3. You cannot manually allocate additional devices.
4. 800 was a budget 1 loop, conventional head addressable base system using the Esser (German) bus and bears no resemblance to the true annalogue, 2 loop system 32000 ( which I presume you alude to).
5.It would be a tricky proposition to retrofit a 3200 (32000) with a 800 panel even if you could obtain one of these obsolete devices.... Dont try this at home children.

Sorry for the delay in my responce but I have been undertaking my research with Gents and a number of my own ex Gents/ Gents trained staff.
I stand by my original comments.
Dave

Hands up when wrong - I had my true analogue head on!
Just clear one thing up for me - what was the system which also used the conventonal head with "zone" modules that came up the zone and device number (you had to look it up in the book under the flap) - was it the 2400??

Buzz, I remember this one cos' I supplied a few of them in the late 90's - Up to 16 'addressable zone' modules designated A to P and 20 devices per zone. So the LCD displayed a message such as D12 or K5 and you looked up the location from the 'zone cards' under the flap!
I used to get these systems from SMS (the direct distribution arm of Gent). Because SMS never sold any of the other Gent addressable systems they just called this one 'The Addressable System' and the control panel had the order part number 70520-01NM.  I don't know if Gents themself ever used the system, or if it was for the 'direct distribution arm' only.
SMS suddenly stopped supplying it just when the new EMI regulations came out because it didn't comply. You couldn't even buy additional accessories for the system although they were prepared to repair anything that became faulty.
 My customers were angry that they could no longer add to a system they had recently bought, ripped the systems out, installed other kit and vowed never to install anything from Gent in the future!

[Thebeardedyorkshireman]

You are correct in your numbering of the 2400. It was used by Gents and offered to the trade by Sphere Marketing Services (SMS).
In a previous life it was offered to me but I declined. Looking at the experience that  Wiz had with the dammed things it was another lucky escape. I recently ripped one out because a client wanted  to add a single callpoint and detector in an extension.
Dave

[Ark Angel]

Hi All,

The Gent 800 is only about 2 years old and a comm tool is still available to all Gent SI's. The bases are addressable and the sensors are conventional but it's much more stable than an old Gent 2400. The 800 is a good budget panel and if commissioned properly should provide good service. They are not very common place in this country but there are a few around installed in small premises. You cannot SAFE address on them though.

[Thebeardedyorkshireman]

The 800 has no cause and effect except 'one out all out' therefore no comms tool is required for programming as there is no programming to do!! There is a label maker for adding text to devices ( if you can get it to run) but it aint no comm tool.
A derivative is available in the French market ( I am reliably informed) but it was abandoned in the UK and removed from the price list some time ago. The model on my demo board was manuactured in 2001 which makes it five years old unless its like my wife and lies about its age!
Dave