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Offline gm137

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CAH Vaporising Liquid??
« on: July 17, 2007, 07:17:15 PM »
During a recent inspection of a guest-house, a colleague came across a rusted and corroded aerosol extinguisher (circa 1970) which states on the side that it contains "CAH Vaporising liquid". Of all the potent mixtures of halons that I've encountered, I've never seen this one, and can't find any info in either brigade or general records about its composition. If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be really grateful for any info - we can't dispose of the unit at the moment because of the possibility that it contains some carbon tet.
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Offline Mr. P

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 08:10:44 AM »

Offline Tom Sutton

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 09:30:39 AM »
I do not think I would use that stuff you may have an incorrect link, try http://zenstoves.net/CHRIS/CAH.pdf
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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CAH Vaporising Liquid??
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 12:12:20 PM »
My extinguisher historian hat will need to be dusted off for this!

It's neither of those substances above, neither are vaporising liquids.

A picture would help, as well as more info from the label such as the manufacturer etc, but it is likely to fall into three categories (on order of likelihood)
1) halon 1211 - Bromochlorordifluoromethane
2) mix of halon 1211 - Bromochlorordifluoromethane & halon 1301 - Bromotrifluoromethane
3) halon 1301 (very unlikely)

The 70's saw the mass use of the aerosol can and the explosion of BCF into the mainstream of extinguishing agents - this lead to almost everyone making halon aerosol extinguishers. As well as the market leaders Firemaster, Fire Extinguisher Valve Co (made for other users) & FireJet everyone brought them out including many car spares companies like Redex & Simoniz.

BCF was the main chemical used - however, the labelling on many products was full of typos and incorrect names and abbreviations as several of the preserved models I have state, so CAH Vapourising liquid doesn't surprise me as an example of gobbledegook.

I can assure you that if it is an aerosol can extinguisher it will not be CTC or Methyl Bromide. If it was an old brass aerosol type can like a 'Presto' it could be CBM, but I am sure it is a BCF model.

As for disposal, if it wasn't rusted and corroded I'd take it for preservation, but otherwise you need to use an approved disposal agent for Halons (& other 'dead' extinguishers) - if you are not in the fire trade you need to call Chubb Fire, if you are in the trade call Thomas Glover. A fee will be charged
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 06:19:54 PM »
Thanks very much for all of your replies.

Thank you AnthonyB, your summary is very helpful. I know that no major manufacturer used CTC in aerosols, but I've found a couple of units in the past that did contain CTC (made by some cowboy somewhere), hence my caution.

Stephen Barlay in his book "That Thin Red Line" details the trade in such units during the 70's, which he aptly named "the mini-menace". The label on my unit is badly damaged:apart from the remains of an instruction panel, the only text states-
 
"this extinguisher contains CAH liquified gas:199154"

As a chemist the number means nothing to me, and my colleagues assure me it doesn't link to any relevant code of practice etc. The "liquified gas" bit reinforces the theory that this is a BCF or similar unit.

I'll contact Chubb and let you know the result.

Many thanks again for you time.