Author Topic: Inner, Inner rooms (Read 12445 times)

Redone · « **on:** October 24, 2007, 01:05:45 PM »

General question, would anyone accept inner/inner rooms for the following...

Stock processing room off sales floor, Staff room of stock processing room. Afd throughout L2 standard, EL satisfactory. Travel distance to final exit about 30m, single direction, all occupants fully mobile.

Old building had these conditions for decades...

kurnal · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2007, 01:22:24 PM »

Never say never but 30m is going some for single direction in normal risk shop. Perhaps this is a bigger issue than the double inner room situation?

What do they sell and how much of the travel distance is in staff room, how much in stock room and how far in the shop?

Sounds like it has been wrong for decades but they've been lucky

nearlythere · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2007, 01:38:27 PM »

I know of one or two who would consider the sales floor, if big enough, to be a circulation space. Doesn't help with your question I know.

PhilB · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:32:54 PM »

Apparently horses can negotiate inner rooms...look at the new guide, see the post in Q&A section.

nearlythere · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:04:05 PM »

And someone actually got paid for writing this guide. Defies all logic doesn't it?
For the benefit of the author and illustrator of the guide the pointy bit of the horse is the front and horses do not live in stables which are like hotel rooms.

nearlythere · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:09:54 PM »

Page 79. Anyone got any idea how the cows got downstairs to their bedrooms?

kurnal · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2007, 05:26:39 PM »

By walking. Some 'orse has vandalised the lift.

AM · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:24:05 AM »

That's the problem with livestock, they're easy to get to the bedroom, but difficult to get them to leave.....

.....I've said too much..

Big A · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:36:37 PM »

Quote from: PhilB

Apparently horses can negotiate inner rooms...look at the new guide, see the post in Q&A section.

I was wondering why the inner room needs a window. Are they expecting the horse to calmly exit through the access room if it notices a fire developing, or so you can see whether ther's a horse in there?

nearlythere · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:53:52 PM »

No. If you look again at Figure 22 you will see an arrow going through the VP. This is the alternative escape route for the horse because if a human is not present the horse will not be able to turn the door knob. Bit difficult with hooves on you see.
The AFD point is, as you can all plainly see, fixed up with a sky hook. What happens if it breaks off?
The other problem I can see is that the exit sign is in English. What if the horse was an Arab, a connemara pony, a Austrian Halflinger, an Irish Draught, a Welsh Cob, a Spanish Andalucian et al? And apart from that it only allows running men to use the escape door.
What about poor Dobbin - sob?

AM · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2007, 04:08:41 PM »

I'd like to see any person try to leave a room with a horse, with a fire alarm sounder going off in the vicinity, and be free of injury

jokar · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2007, 07:38:40 PM »

Ahh, but they have conquered that, the doors have to be 1.2 metres wide and 2 metres high so no problem.

Redone · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2007, 07:46:06 AM »

I'd like to see any person try to leave a room with a horse, with a fire alarm sounder going off in the vicinity, and be free of injury...

If you foresee this as a potential problem, go for the gap between wall and ceiling and think Gymkana...

Shop cd's/dvds. Line of sight on the sales floor is tip top. In the real world I'd be happy WITH it's current use/condition/management.

I recall working at a heritage site with a 60m dead end, should we knock the castle down, fit a few more doors... This is where I get worked up with the guides, hey it's just a guide, and, and, and they don't consider animals, shocking, RSPCA should be told!

kurnal · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2007, 08:17:43 AM »

CDs and dvds are a significant fire loading not easy to ignite but promote rapid fire growth if involved in fire.....if the shop is always supervised and free of ignition sources this is unlikely....if shop is always staffed whenever the rest room is occupied and staff are trained this would be a big advantage.

On the other hand 30m is a big step from 18m, whilst it only amounts to 18 seconds travel time once personnel have resonded to the alarm of fire, if the premises have benchmark manual system then it would be no good but if we had a decent standard of AFD with good coverage in both shop and access room this would knock not 18 seconds but several minutes off the time to detect the fire.

Duty is as far as is reasonably practicable, and we should go for the best solution as first choice not the most convenient, if its not practicable to reduce travel distance, can the rest room and stock area be switched, if not is supervision and detection the solution?

Martin Burford · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2007, 12:35:16 PM »

Redone
Whats the travel distance from the furthest point in the inner/inner room to the shop floor ?
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