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Offline AnthonyB

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2008, 09:48:08 PM »
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If the area is open plan, and assuming there are sufficient exits why need a detection system in the first place? Is it for property protection? Is it not reasonably likely that, being open plan with high ceiling, any fire would be identified fairly quickly to allow quick evacuation? Is the risk such that a fire would develop so quickly that it could adversly effect an evacuation?
Multi occupancy with vastly differing hours of operation - if a fire develops 'out of hours' in one bay there will be people from another firm several bays down who are still at work will not know about a fire until it's developed significantly.

There is lots of noise & smoke and dust from the work processes in several bas, plus the use of RPE etc that would all reduce the efficacy of human detection.

I agree that normally it would need only a cat M, or possibly an L5 for any specific risks, but the place is under a Section 64 for not just the alarm, but separation and the owner wants to try for AFD in lieu of walls which the cost to put in is not economically viable for the site. A protected tunnel already retrofitted makes the travel distances OK, put in under the terms of a temporary warrant from the BCO a few years ago, but the FRS still doesn't like it and wants it to fully comply with Building Regs and the compartment/separation requirements in the benchmark guide.

Personally an M or L5 is all that is viable, the different hours thing is not itself enough to justify the extremely difficult task of putting in an L1 (that would go off all the time & be a bugger to maintain) and that if the walls don't go in then as an alternative smoke control or supression - although with the addition of a building wide alarm travel distances and times with existing and recently added routes would suffice to get everyone out the FRS don't want to do it - it seems they don't like it being a sacrificial structure even if everyone gets out.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2008, 10:23:19 PM »
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but the place is under a Section 64 for not just the alarm, but separation and the owner wants to try for AFD in lieu of walls which the cost to put in is not economically viable for the site.
Please clarify - is this a local act for fire precautions in a large storage building? It doesnt sound much like a storage building-  more like a factory?

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 09:58:09 PM »
Section 64 enforcement notice under the Fire (Scotland) Act. It is in mixed use, mainly factory & some storage. Due it being a big open shed although most of the factory/storage is Class 2 it is being viewed as a Class 1 Factory & Class 1 storage to bring in the tighter compartment limits because there is no division of the higher risk class 1 usage.

This job is of course subject to Scottish Technical Regulations and benchmark guides which have  some differences with what we use in E&W
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 10:13:54 PM »
Thanks Anthony. I had not linked it to those funny Scots Regulations. I dont venture into foreign parts very often.

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 05:36:42 PM »
Would CCTV detection be viable here?
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 06:24:57 PM »
Based upon my experience with the above  principle of the system , I would rather have a lobotomy
Its time to make a counter attack !