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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2008, 05:41:25 PM »
Ok, I'll stop... soon...  that list (full marks, 14.11 it is) came directly from PWBS incidentally.  AND, I have virginal new copies of No 20 & No 29, but I'm saving those in my anorak cupboard.  I do actually have the pdf versions as well, but thanks anyway.  The new ones were a gift from Don Christian who picked them up in a junk shop and gave them to me shortly before he died, nice way to remember a gift from someone who had been almost a mortal enemy on occasions in terms of attitude towards fire safety concepts for many years.

Going to wind my neck in for a week or so now.  business has got a bit hectic.

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 07:24:41 PM »
Don Christian thats a blast from the past.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2008, 11:50:59 AM »
Re sprinklers in stores:
They were either installed under local acts to allow larger compartment sizes or installed at the behest of the insurers or the occupant for property protection.

Henderson's was before my time but I have recollection that although there may have been sprinklers they were not covering the whole of the building.
Following the Manchester Woolworth's fire, the Fire Research Station was commissioned by the Home Office to look at the effect of sprinklers on this fire. As a result of the measurements taken during that work, further work was commissioned to look at the wider use of sprinklers for life safety, particularly the use of fast-response sprinklers. This concluded in 1992 by the publication of a summary report: Research Report 51, 'Sprinklers for life safety in Department Stores' by Harwood and Hume. In 1993 the 'Fire Safety and Safety of Sport Act 1987 (Commencement No.7) Order 1993' deleted reference in the 1971 FP Act to the provision of fire-fighting equipment for use by the occupants, and thus allowed fixed equipment, such as sprinklers, to be used as well.

Re Summerland: I cannot find the item refered to on the University of Birmingham website, only the references - the Google search just keeps taking me back to these. Anyone able to give me more details or a specific link, please?
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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2008, 09:30:59 PM »
Is it the book you are looking for - I've downloaded it. the links have stopped working (has happened before), but pu this into google:

site:www.gees.bham.ac.uk summerland fire

& you will get 'back doors' to access the content chapter by chapter
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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2008, 11:13:52 PM »
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »
Thanks to both of you; I'll go and give it a whirl.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2008, 10:37:33 AM »
An Update on Summerland:
I contacted Dr Ian Phillips and he sent me a paper copy of his book (this was before I went Broadband a couple of weeks ago). I've read through it three times and it is a very creditable effort at writing-up a fire which made considerable impact at the time but which has never been fully remembered since. There are some technical errors regarding fire-spread in particular - but as he's involved in geography and metrology that's quite understandable.

He's just received the last of my comments (amounting to some dozen A4 pages + other additional information) and hopes to do a major revision of the book late this year or early next year.

I've been encouraging him to consider publishing. If anyone has any ideas as to the publishers he ought to try, please PM me and I'll pass on the details.

Just a brief explanatory note - as far as I can make out I am the sole surviving member of the 6-man team from Fire Research that was involved in the investigation at Summerland as I was by far the youngest (and most junior!) of it. It was my first major fire and has therefore indelibly imprinted itself on my memory, so hence my particular interest in this book.
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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2010, 04:12:01 PM »
AB this may be of interest to you http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=65466
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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2010, 05:41:36 PM »
Anthony B

For Stardust try this link to rreport & appendices

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http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PB09000021

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« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2010, 10:49:53 PM »
thanks - I've sorted Stardust thanks to the British Library last year. For an extravagantly large amount of money I now own several photocopied volumes totalling about a foot thick!

Interesting reading and scandalous too  - the owners made a fortune out of it thanks to the weird working of Irish law instead of being prosecuted......
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