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Offline JC100

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« on: August 12, 2008, 07:55:46 AM »
Does anyone know if this is has been released as a BS? I thought it was still in draft form but have seen a course in november advertised on BS 9999:2008 Code of practice: Fire safety in the design, Management and use of buildings. I can't find the standard anywhere though apart from as a DD.

Offline CivvyFSO

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 09:03:18 AM »
I think it is scheduled for about September. It was released earlier in the year as a BS DPC (Draft for Public Comment) and comments were due in before some time in May IIRC.

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 12:57:56 PM »
Friend of mine is a FSO and on return from a course had indicated that we can expect it to hit the streets in the next couple of months

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 05:04:23 PM »
It is one of the topics to be covered in a workshop at this years BAFSA conference in November at Chepstow

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 07:12:49 PM »
As in a different thread on the subject of BS 9999 in the technical section, the BS is due out in October 2008.  It will replace all of the BS 5588 series apart from part 1 which will stay.  The 5588 series will be available to run alonside 9999 for 6 months and will then be removed.

The document is a large tome of 500 plus pages and is quite contradictory in its clauses.  I have been reading through a proofed copy sent to the printers and found errors in it.  It also contradicts and challenges some of the sections of ADB which I find disconcerting.  The risk assessed methodology also is quite difficult to get your head around and because the document is a cut down version of the 5588 series there is alot of cross referencing of clauses which is quite liable to drive a reader mad.  One section, clause 19.1 has 9 x references in 9 lines and I am lost as to what it actually means.

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 02:01:42 PM »
Jokar

Have you any update on this, please?
FPA are offering one day courses starting 14 Oct London on to Taunton in January 2009
I would rather not book (20 Nov York) unless I know the BS is out

In regard to your comments, shifting from travel distances to travel times etc as you say, there will be a lot of fingers in the air!

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 02:34:21 PM »
No,

I am attending a 2 day course on 7 and 8 October which is being put on by the ABE at which we will get a full copy.  As far as I am aware the 1 October is the key date.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 04:06:51 PM »
Will be issued on Monday 6th of October.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 04:35:58 PM »
Thats close then.  Hope I get a proper copy for the 7th.

Offline JC100

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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 08:09:07 AM »
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No,

I am attending a 2 day course on 7 and 8 October which is being put on by the ABE at which we will get a full copy.  As far as I am aware the 1 October is the key date.
I'm on a course run by ABE in November, how was it? Has the BS been released and is it definatley not replacing 5588-1?

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 04:21:54 PM »
October 13th is the release date .......

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 08:36:06 PM »
No its been put back to 15 October, no year stated though.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 08:01:18 AM »
Assuming that DD9999 will be introduced, has the FRA approach to fire safety suddenly grown horns and teeth and turning into a monster. What was initially a common sense approach by employers to fire assessment in the workplace, which was portrayed as something that they could quite comfortably carry out, has turned into something that more and more employers will be less capable, never mind competant, of doing. Can you imagine handing DD9999 to an average employer and telling him that this is the standard of FRA expected.
This is red tape gone mad which was not the intention, according to its architects.
Good for Fire Risk Assessors. Pretty horrific for someone trying to run a business. Can certainly see most private sector employers willing to take a chance and not doing one unless they are required to for registration or licensing purposes.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 08:30:40 AM »
Really, the BS is a design guide and we will have some large buildings with extended travel but probably covered by sprinklers and AFD.  The major problem will be when they change the use and the risk profile changes and have to increase the numbers of exits and protection.  I think that the safe way for new builds is for the FRS or other enforcer to issue Alterations Notices to these premises once built.  Trying to risk assess a premises, part of a builiding, that have been built to 9999 will be difficult if the assessor does not understand the ethos and ethics of the design.

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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 09:08:03 AM »
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I think that the safe way for new builds is for the FRS or other enforcer to issue Alterations Notices to these premises once built.
Not quite sure I get your drift here jokar. Can you elaborate please?
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