BS5839 shouldn't be better to look like a simple data book ?

[Benzerari]

My only enquiry about BS5839 is that when about they will make it so simple to be read and understood. It gives me headache when reading it, some times it seems to me there are long repetitive words and sentences just to say the same thing, i.e. why stating a long paragraph just to say the MCP should be fitted 1.4m above the floor, it seems to me that it can be re-written in more technical way with more tables, drawings, using many colors and less words and paragraphs.

I am not whether sure about what I am saying does make sense to the readers or only me feeling that, when reading the printout of BS5839...,

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school, we used to use a simple technical data book which gives in a simple way the dimensions of any required mechanical pieces: screws, washers, pinions, bearings,…etc and also all required formulas…etc

Fortunately some generous members in this forum can answer just what is needed, when I get stacked  

Thanks God

[jokar]

That is the same for a lot of standards.  I like Hallmark fire little book, especially the diagrams.  The one on categories of Fire Alarms is excellent as a descriptive aid.

[Allen Higginson]

My only enquiry about BS5839 is that when about they will make it so simple to be read and understood. It gives me headache when reading it, some times it seems to me there are long repetitive words and sentences just to say the same thing, i.e. why a stating big paragraph just to say the MCP should be fitted 1.4m above the floor, it seems to me that it can be rewritten in more technical way with more tables, drawings, using many colors and less words and paragraphs.

I am not whether sure about what I am saying does make sense to the readers or only me feeling that, when reading the printout of BS5839...,

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school, we used to use a simple technical data book which gives in simple way the dimensions of any required mechanical pieces: screws, washers, pinions, bearings,…etc and also all required formulas…etc

Fortunately some generous members in this forum can answer just what is needed, when I get stacked  

Thanks God

Don't take this the wrong way but although your English is on the whole excellent,you can sometimes misread or misinterpret what is written and the BS does not take this into account.
However,I will agree that the BS is hard going sometimes in that you can look to find one answer and get two different ones to the same query.This is because some of it is down to interpretation and it does need to be clearer.
I find Apollo's guide to be very helpful.

[Thomas Brookes]

I was once told on a course (and I can not remember who told me) that british standards are written by experts such as Colin Todd etc and then it goes to reveiw by the industry and then it is checked and re-written by Solicitors to ensure no law suits can come from it, and I think its the last bit where the confusion comes in.

Perhaps if any of the guys on the standards reveiw panels see this, may confirm or denigh this.

[Benzerari]

My only enquiry about BS5839 is that when about they will make it so simple to be read and understood. It gives me headache when reading it, some times it seems to me there are long repetitive words and sentences just to say the same thing, i.e. why a stating big paragraph just to say the MCP should be fitted 1.4m above the floor, it seems to me that it can be rewritten in more technical way with more tables, drawings, using many colors and less words and paragraphs.

I am not whether sure about what I am saying does make sense to the readers or only me feeling that, when reading the printout of BS5839...,

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school, we used to use a simple technical data book which gives in simple way the dimensions of any required mechanical pieces: screws, washers, pinions, bearings,…etc and also all required formulas…etc

Fortunately some generous members in this forum can answer just what is needed, when I get stacked  

Thanks God

Don't take this the wrong way but although your English is on the whole excellent,you can sometimes misread or misinterpret what is written and the BS does not take this into account.
However,I will agree that the BS is hard going sometimes in that you can look to find one answer and get two different ones to the same query.This is because some of it is down to interpretation and it does need to be clearer.
I find Apollo's guide to be very helpful.

I do appreciate all hard effort of people, they have spent to set out these standards, and certainly it was not so easy, also I do agree my English is as much as My French and Arabic and none of them is 100% perfect.

However, the point I am trying to raise up is, the technical presentation makes things better understandable, there is some science called ‘InfoGraphy’, specifically developed to present information in its best ways and quickly understood and interpreted, using graphs, tables, colors and symbols and so on…

Why not taking advantage of that?

[Graeme]

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school,

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

[Allen Higginson]

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school,

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

...tumbleweeds,tumbleweeds....

[Thomas Brookes]

Well Im stuffed then, I was at school in the 70's

[Benzerari]

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school,

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

I am 42, what's ashame to me :cool:

[Benzerari]

Well Im stuffed then, I was at school in the 70's

Had you ever seen Dinosaurs that days then?  

Just Joking Thomas

[Graeme]

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school,

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

sarcasm sarcasm

i was at School then too.

[Graeme]

I remember when studding technical drawing in the late 80s in high school,

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

I am 42, what's ashame to me :cool:

42....

i was at School in the late 80's but i would have been 14 in 88.

[Benzerari]

late eighties you old bugger. were you still using slate and chalk then?

perhaps you were at School with Buzzard?

I am 42, what's ashame to me :cool:

42....

I was at School in the late 80's but I would have been 14 in 88.

Sorry it was 1986 my last year at the high school and had my baccalaureate, and not later

In 1988 I was at the second year at University, just about to finish the General Engineering Studies, I can even remember the mostly remarkable thing that days, is the equation of ‘Schrödinger’ which we (all students) hated, its solution is a differential equation that gives the probability of the existence of an electron in a given space and time, a lot of headache to get that module but at the end of the day none has ever used it at work...

[AnthonyB]

I must admit for every day ready reference the various design guides that manufacturers produce to make things easier for their customers are great & Hochiki have done a pocket version.

However for anything other than the everyday you need the full technical detail of the BS - it can be heavy going, but that's mainly because the technology has advanced so - I have a copy of the 1976 Home Office Educational Guide for  fire alarm systems and it's a far simpler read not just because of style & layout, but the systems themselves were far simpler.

[Benzerari]

I must admit for every day ready reference the various design guides that manufacturers produce to make things easier for their customers are great & Hochiki have done a pocket version.

However for anything other than the everyday you need the full technical detail of the BS - it can be heavy going, but that's mainly because the technology has advanced so - I have a copy of the 1976 Home Office Educational Guide for  fire alarm systems and it's a far simpler read not just because of style & layout, but the systems themselves were far simpler.

Thanks Anthony for this, I agree technology is advancing in every bit of life and sectors, why other fields have got a simple data book to be used full of data and also updated a long with technology advancement?

The fire industry and in particular alarm industry is not considering that? The fact manufacturers of fire alarm equipments tried to make their own simple one?