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Offline Benzerari

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Detecting devices sitting on the loop ???
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2008, 11:07:28 PM »
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Benz, One panel example that does is Ampac.
It seems you dealt with Ampac, does Ampac use soft addressing? I would like to know the link between soft addressing and system detecting devices, as soon as they are fitted on the loop, and before loop autolearn!

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2008, 11:12:07 PM »
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Benz, One panel example that does is Ampac.
...Minerva..
The same question Buzz, does Minerva uses soft addressing, I would like to know the link between the soft addressing and detecting devices before loop autolearn!

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2008, 11:16:44 PM »
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Kidde Vega does something similar I believe, you have to agree the logon count after a scan, on some sites where the maintenance team take out a detectr head for whatever reason and a logon count is carried out the detector is then removed from the count.
When the detector is put back it generates a fault and an error message (from memory it has been a while)
If it was not previously on the loop and fitted recently, does Kidde Vega detects a new device that has just been fitted and needs configuration?

Does Kidde Vega use soft addressing?

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 11:19:35 PM »
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Guys;

I would like to know, which makes of analogue addressable systems, recognizing if a device is sitting on the loop and not yet configured, before the loop is scanned or auto-learned.

Does that sort of analogue addressable system, need to be of soft addressing type only?

Thank you
we have already been through this before and i told you that an Aritech panel can do what you have mentioned.
When did you say that? Grame and in what thread?

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2008, 11:22:15 PM »
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Graeme, The only good thing about banging your head against a brick wall, is that it feels good when you stop! :)
Yeah but bricks crumble....!!!

I think Kentec panels indicate if there is an unexpected device on the loop.....
Does Kentec uses soft addressing?

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2008, 11:22:24 PM »
On the VEGA you get a fault message "Device Unregistered" where a device has been added to the system without power down or autolearn.
And no,it doesn't use soft addressing.

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2008, 11:51:36 PM »
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On the VEGA you get a fault message "Device Unregistered" where a device has been added to the system without power down or autolearn.
And no,it doesn't use soft addressing.
Very good answer Buzz, that's what I am looking for :)

Any technical info about their protocol would be grate

Cheers

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2008, 12:03:35 AM »
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On the VEGA you get a fault message "Device Unregistered" where a device has been added to the system without power down or autolearn.
And no,it doesn't use soft addressing.
Very good answer Buzz, that's what I am looking for :)

Any technical info about their protocol would be grate

Cheers
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2008, 07:10:39 AM »
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Graeme, The only good thing about banging your head against a brick wall, is that it feels good when you stop! :)
Yeah but bricks crumble....!!!

I think Kentec panels indicate if there is an unexpected device on the loop.....
Does Kentec uses soft addressing?
No they dont....
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2008, 08:24:01 AM »
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Benz, One panel example that does is Ampac.
...Minerva..
The same question Buzz, does Minerva uses soft addressing, I would like to know the link between the soft addressing and detecting devices before loop autolearn!
The Minerva panel doesn't use soft addressing either
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2008, 12:01:12 PM »
Thanks Guys, very good confirmation!

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2008, 12:29:16 PM »
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Guys;

I would like to know, which makes of analogue addressable systems, recognizing if a device is sitting on the loop and not yet configured, before the loop is scanned or auto-learned.

Does that sort of analogue addressable system, need to be of soft addressing type only?

Thank you
we have already been through this before and i told you that an Aritech panel can do what you have mentioned.
When did you say that? Grame and in what thread?
can't rememeber where or when but i am 1000% you have asked before.