Alarm acknowledgement button on panel

[Benzerari]

I would like to know which make/s have alarm acknowledgement button on panel, to be pressed first before pressing reset, I have seen this option in some makes a while ago but, I can't remember which make.

The other issue; is that option required by BS (panel design)?

[Allen Higginson]

I would like to know which make/s have alarm acknowledgement button on panel, to be pressed first before pressing reset, I have seen this option in some makes a while ago but, I can't remember which make.

The other issue; is that option required by BS (panel design)?

Siemens panels (where did the rest of the posts go?).

[Galeon]

ias , morley conventional might have this from memory.

[Benzerari]

Siemens panels

I understood when pressing in acknowledgement button, it would mute the system in some or most cases, but what I am asking is; would such systems require pressing on acknowledgement button, before reset? That’s my main question. as some other systems as far as I remember, they have acknowlegment button aside to mute button. and whether that option is required by BS or still just extra option of some makes.

(where did the rest of the posts go?).

I though recession affected cash only, not forum’s posts, where have they gone?

[David Rooney]

Syncro panels have "acknowledge".... I thought this was just a fancy name for "Silence".... Also thought that all panels had had to have Silence or Acknowledge pressed before the reset button was operable....?

[Benzerari]

Syncro panels have "acknowledge".... I thought this was just a fancy name for "Silence".... Also thought that all panels had had to have Silence or Acknowledge pressed before the reset button was operable....?

In my little experience and according to what I have seen up till now, very few have that option, most panels have Silence Reset and Mute for muting the bleep and have nothing to do with (Mute=Acknowledge), acknowledgment button is to acknowledge fire condition prior to resetting it... probably others have seen some thing different as Buzz stated previously...

The reason behind this topic is that the acknowledgement button could be used to program the event classification before resetting fire condition. specifically for false alarms events, and once downloading an event log, it will tell how often false alarms occurred, and for each device... since false alarms are badly recorded, by users (responsible person RP, care taker, manager, service Eng, security men....)

Therefore Acknowledgement Button could be useful for some makes who have it built in...

[Allen Higginson]

I think we are in danger of getting bogged down again in misunderstandings - are you asking does anyone know of a panel that specifically has a button (other than that required to silence the bells) that needs to be pressed prior to resetting?I don't see why this would be required and would be yet another process that the user needs to operate when we know how technophobic users are when it comes to fire alarms.

[Benzerari]

I think we are in danger of getting bogged down again in misunderstandings - are you asking does anyone know of a panel that specifically has a button (other than that required to silence the bells) that needs to be pressed prior to resetting?I don't see why this would be required and would be yet another process that the user needs to operate when we know how technophobic users are when it comes to fire alarms.

There is no misunderstanding at all Buzz, IT IS NOT REQUIRED either by BS or by manufacturers, it’s rather a simple idea and its propose as explained (see below), the only thing is that, the panels who haven't got that acknowledgement button wouldn't be easily upgraded to do what is explained (see below)

The reason behind this topic is that the acknowledgement button could be used to program the event classification before resetting fire condition. specifically for false alarms events, and once downloading an event log, it will tell how often false alarms occurred, and for each device... since false alarms are badly recorded, by users (responsible person RP, care taker, manager, service Eng, security men....)

Therefore Acknowledgement Button could be useful for some makes who have it built in...

I have found an example of make and thank you

[David Rooney]

I would like to know which make/s have alarm acknowledgement button on panel, to be pressed first before pressing reset, I have seen this option in some makes a while ago but, I can't remember which make.

The other issue; is that option required by BS (panel design)?

You may not be confused Benz but I'm afraid I am.

First post you appear to be talking about an "acknowledgement button" on panels... which in most peoples book is the same as a "silence button".... which is also different to a "mute button" that generally switches off the internal panel buzzer or changes it to an intermittent tone..... and I could be wrong but I believe there is a strong implication in EN54-4 that the "silence or acknowledge" button... whatever you want to call it, should be able to be operated without losing the information displayed on the panel... ie. before the reset button is pressed.


Then later on, it it changes to this.....

The reason behind this topic is that the acknowledgement button could be used to program the event classification before resetting fire condition. specifically for false alarms events, and once downloading an event log, it will tell how often false alarms occurred, and for each device... since false alarms are badly recorded, by users (responsible person RP, care taker, manager, service Eng, security men....)

I don't understand what you mean by "program the event classification".

[Benzerari]

I don't understand what you mean by "program the event classification".

Dave;

What I am talking about doesn't exist yet and not required by either any one just to stop all confusions.

However, it's rather just new idea, about how to record all fire events in a classification manner; false alarms, bell tests, servicing test... etc, but the most important event is to classify the false alarms in different categories; related to malicious false alarms, doggie devise...etc, after quite long time thinking about false alarms that are badly recorded, through a simple log book, and therefore the idea of using the acknowledgement button is one of the solution to program event classification within the panel…

What I mean is: it's not obviously the user who's going to program it, it's rather just when attempting to reset the system it will prompt the user to acknowledge fire event first, once pressing on acknowledgement button, it displays a list of events to be selected first using scroll down/up button and then press enter the event will be classified under the name of i.e. false alarm due to doggie head, or malicious false alarms...etc. after that the user can press the rest button. Then during service visit the service engineer would be capable to know all devices related to false alarms and so act to replace them...etc while other malicious once may have different procedures to reduce them...
 

This is the main idea behind raising up this topic, and looking for some make who has that facility of acknowledgement button built in, since it's quite impossible with other makes who haven't that button

I have found an example of make and thank you

[Benzerari]

I would like to know which make/s have alarm acknowledgement button on panel, to be pressed first before pressing reset, I have seen this option in some makes a while ago but, I can't remember which make.

The other issue; is that option required by BS (panel design)?

You may not be confused Benz but I'm afraid I am.

First post you appear to be talking about an "acknowledgement button" on panels... which in most peoples book is the same as a "silence button".... which is also different to a "mute button" that generally switches off the internal panel buzzer or changes it to an intermittent tone..... and I could be wrong but I believe there is a strong implication in EN54-4 that the "silence or acknowledge" button... whatever you want to call it, should be able to be operated without losing the information displayed on the panel... ie. before the reset button is pressed.

The panels I was looking for is; the one with acnowledgement button other than silence and reset. what ever its function

[Big_Fella]

Gent Vigilon...

This for example can be used for investigtion time.

I.e. If a single detector is activated it may start a timer before the sounders are activated.  The Acknowledge button could be pressed within this set time to extend this time for a further period of time for investigation prior to the alarms being activated.

[Benzerari]

Gent Vigilon...

This for example can be used for investigtion time.

I.e. If a single detector is activated it may start a timer before the sounders are activated.  The Acknowledge button could be pressed within this set time to extend this time for a further period of time for investigation prior to the alarms being activated.

Good example of functions

[Wiz]

............i.e. false alarm due to doggie head, ................

You could be barking up the wrong tree with this

[Galeon]

If you poodle along with this post ,we may not be able to retriever any more useful information and we could all end up in the Shih Tzu .