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Fire Triangle ?
« on: November 23, 2008, 12:17:38 AM »
It's found to be that the combination of; Heat, Oxygen and Fuel (combustible material) make fire..., but how much of each? In terms of percentage!
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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 05:26:50 AM »
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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 07:59:41 AM »
Benz Its found that the combination of knowledge, training and experience make up a fire  alarm engineer. But how much of each? In terms of percentage!

PS I will have one of whatever you are drinking!  ;D

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 08:47:30 AM »
It's found to be that the combination of; Heat, Oxygen and Fuel (combustible material) make fire..., but how much of each? In terms of percentage!

what was the comination ratio of the mad traingle you had last night.  Drink , cannabis  and a computer....


do you sit up on saturday nights worrying about such stuff or are you bored of the X Factor?

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 09:18:21 AM »
 :'(

Benz

I'll try and simplify it in case the exotic stuff hasn't worn off this early

The amount of heat needed depends on the type of fuel present  eg 1 kilo of paper requires less than 1 kilo of wood
The amount of fuel only dictates how long the fire will burn
In relation to oxygen, normal air has 21%. Go below 16% and fire struggles, below 14% and the fire ceases.


davo

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 10:17:02 AM »
Benz Its found that the combination of knowledge, training and experience make up a fire  alarm engineer. But how much of each? In terms of percentage!

PS I will have one of whatever you are drinking!  ;D

Double espresso  ;D

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 10:21:32 AM »
It's found to be that the combination of; Heat, Oxygen and Fuel (combustible material) make fire..., but how much of each? In terms of percentage!

what was the comination ratio of the mad traingle you had last night.  Drink , cannabis  and a computer....


do you sit up on saturday nights worrying about such stuff or are you bored of the X Factor?

It looks boring question at the beginning but in fact it isn't!  :)

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 10:27:52 AM »
:'(

Benz

I'll try and simplify it in case the exotic stuff hasn't worn off this early

The amount of heat needed depends on the type of fuel present  eg 1 kilo of paper requires less than 1 kilo of wood
The amount of fuel only dictates how long the fire will burn
In relation to oxygen, normal air has 21%. Go below 16% and fire struggles, below 14% and the fire ceases.


davo


Good start Davo, this makes sense, and your answer just needs more refinements :)

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 10:52:43 AM »
Benz,

you need to get out more.
I refuse to have a battle of wittts with an unarmed person.

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 10:53:38 AM »

Fire = f (H, O, C) , means fire is function of heat, oxygen and combustible material

Where: H = Heat, O = Oxygen, C = Combustible material.

Heat: is quantified in degree centigrade or alternatively
Oxygen: is quantified with percentage of availability in the surrounding environment
Combustible material: is the remaining struggling point, therefore:

The question is: can combustibility be quantified and how? Any idea?

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 10:58:34 AM »
Benz,

you need to get out more.

I am always out, I have just been on the moon watching Indian rockets landing on the moon, they have just set up a corner shop and (petrol station) sorry (oxygen station), it isn't that busy at the moment, but we never now what the future reveal  8)

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2008, 11:19:34 AM »
Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2008, 11:43:28 AM »
Benz

any combustible material has a calorific value per unit of weight, fire loadings etc
Any more and you get to calculations algebra etc, far too boring on a sunday



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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2008, 01:41:12 PM »
Benz,

you need to get out more.

Leave him where he is. At least we can keep an eye on him. ;)

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Re: Fire Triangle ?
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2008, 05:14:36 PM »

Fire = f (H, O, C) , means fire is function of heat, oxygen and combustible material

Where: H = Heat, O = Oxygen, C = Combustible material.

Heat: is quantified in degree centigrade or alternatively
Oxygen: is quantified with percentage of availability in the surrounding environment
Combustible material: is the remaining struggling point, therefore:

The question is: can combustibility be quantified and how? Any idea?


But what about pyrotechnics?
Benz it just aint that simple. Get yourseld a basic text book on chemistry and combustion. The IFE do one with exactly that name.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2008, 05:17:00 PM by kurnal »