RR(FS)O Working

[kurnal]

People will not pay good money for a course that has no accreditation. Accreditation for courses in the UK is pretty well stitched up by a few major players. And it becomes more about quality management (again often on paper rather than in practice) than quality delivered. I have worked for several such organisations delivering a range of Health and Safety training courses and have seen it from both sides.

You could explore the possibility using the umbrella of other organisations by selling the idea to them, but for the independent the overheads of doing this would probably be prohibitive as you then have to support their quality management and administrative overheads as well as to earn a living for yourself.

[Davo]

Prof

Our local brigade runs a one day course for small to medium businesses. It costs £ 240 or so.

In contrast, another southern FRS runs free two hour seminars


I doubt if either are accredited but after all, its the FRS right?

davo

[Rex]

The average person hasn't a clue in relation to the RRFSO or to their responsibilties as the RP. Phone call the other day fom the RP can you carry out a fire risk assessment on the building the fire service has been there is no problem. On meeting the RP and reading  the letters from the fire service, one was a prohibition notice for the first floor, the other was an improvement notice for the ground floor, the RP  was told by the fire service to have a fire risk assessment carried out for the building, I am still typing this report. Now as we are all aware my report is on behalf of the RP poor sod. Any views on completing a fire risk assessment with notices already issued by the fire service, I know the brigade well, and they are a good butch of lads,our disagreements if any, are ironed out, and will meet with them to discuss my fire risk assessment. their notices and the way forward to help the RP. So is the RRFSO working, yes it can work with consultation with the enforcing authorities and assistance given to the RPs.

[colin todd]

Butch lads are to be positively encouraged in the modern F&RS, but butch lassies will have better career progression.

[Rex]

Butch lads are to be positively encouraged in the modern F&RS, but butch lassies will have better career progression.

It's funny how a spelling mistake highlights what we really mean to say.

[kurnal]

The fire services are providing me with a fairly good income simply for interpreting their letters on behalf of clients. Several calls every week- two today from clients who simply cannot understand what the letter is saying and whether it is enforcement, advice or wishful thinking on behalf of the authority.

And even I cannot understand one of todays letters and havn't a clue where they are coming from. (Thanks Surrey!).

[colin todd]

Kurnal, As a Surrey resident myself, send it to me and I will explain. We southerners tend to be eloquent, and it is probably just Surrey's elequent use of the English language that is confusing you.

[kurnal]

Kurnal, As a Surrey resident myself, send it to me and I will explain. We southerners tend to be eloquent, and it is probably just Surrey's elequent use of the English language that is confusing you.

Of course geographical references are based on perspective but thats the first time I have ever heard a Scotsman refer to himself as a southerner. Must be down to global warming.

Thanks for the offer by the way- If you really are interested I will forward you a copy, its a actually a case of the Bluff and Persuasion Act 1872 dressed up to look as though it is an enforcement notice but missing the teeth. And potentially could cost the client £50K for something that cannot work.

[Tom Sutton]

Wow! the clash of the titans.

[SmokeyDokey]

So now I'm thoroughly confused . It seems there are five reasons the FSO isn't working and 101 reasons why primary fires in non-domestic property are continuing down - the first of which is regulations that don't apply directly to non-domestic property and which have been around for years without having this effect.

Having read the thread again I'm begining to think it must all be down to butch Surrey fire-fighters miss-spelling their postcards home having moved south due to global warming and the recipients having to send them for translation.

[Chris Houston]

thats the first time I have ever heard a Scotsman refer to himself as a southerner. 

Southerner = anyone born south of Aberdeen.

[Tom Sutton]

Well done Kurnal challenging the FRS is one way standards will improve, I hope more will. I realise there is a cost implication but I would imagine the cost would be acceptable unless it ends up in court. Challenging each other will make people stop and consider are they as knowledgeable as they think. When I was treading the boards I only wish more people had challenged us it would have speeded up the learning curve no end.

[colin todd]

1. Kurnal. I have honorary southern citizenship, though I wear my city of belfast tie (given to me by the mayor of that fair city for services to fire safety in NI) with much greater pride. I will be happy to read your wee letter from surrey. They tend to be quite an elightened F&RS.

2. Smokey, I am sorry you are confused. probably easier just to trust the fact that the FSO has not had any effect on anything yet, except creating a healthy income for many people and lots of expenditure by others. It all makes the word go round and finds work for out of work house painters and the like doing FRAs after a couple of hours' course.

3. Chris , I would say its anyone south of inverness. can we compromise and say elgin.

4. tw. just cos a fire officer asks for something it doesnt mean its wrong. Challenge has its place but not purely as a matter of principle.

[Chris Houston]

I'm ashamed to say that I thought Elgin was in Greece.

[colin todd]

I always thought you had lost your marbles. Typical weegie. Lost outside a 10 mile radius of the barras.