Author Topic: Dry Powder Shelf Life?  (Read 14246 times)

Offline FC1

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Dry Powder Shelf Life?
« on: January 21, 2009, 04:06:49 PM »
HI Guys,

I have just been informed by my extinguisher servicing company that dry powder only has a shelf life of five years and the latest requirements in the UK state that DP must be replaced regardless at five yearly intervals.  As I am a small aviation fire service and have four 50kg and ten 9kg Monnex, all due their first five year service, this seems ridiculous.  Can someone confirm or advise if this correct please?

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Re: Dry Powder Shelf Life?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 11:51:03 PM »
Powder portables (i.e. under 20 kilo charged weight) have for decades required discharge testing & new agent and if not extended serviced to BS5306-8 would have to be marked 'not maintained' firmly putting the liability on yourselves.

Wheeled extinguishers to BS EN1866 have no set service regime other than 'manufacturers instructions' and you have more flexibility.

The powder manufacturers only give the product an open ended shelf life (at least 5 years) in dry storage in it's original undamaged packaging as once opened even under perfect filling conditions the powder will have been contaminated, notably by moisture and will be liable to chemical change, environmental effects and caking. Degradation risks will be greater in cartridge extinguishers particularly those without a anti moisture bursting disc.

The testing by discharge is an ideal training opportunity and with a degree of skill required to correctly apply powder on larger industrial risks, including airfield use, then I don't see and issue other than the fact they are all due at once - I'd implement a 20% a year cycle for test discharging.

I appreciate Monnex is very expensive (albeit very, very good having used it at the FSC) -perhaps you should consider Purple K which almost parallels Monnex having a projected 233B rating from a 3 kilo fill, you loose a small bit of the speed by not having the decrepitation of the powder that the Urea complex of the monnex compound gives, but it is still very good, far exceeds BC30, BC Plus or ABC plus and is the agent of choice in the US and US influenced territories where Monnex never really caught on.
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Re: Dry Powder Shelf Life?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 10:35:02 AM »
Many Thanks Anthony,

I was aware of the 5 yearly inspection / discharge requirements but I thought the powder could be recycled with the right servicing equipment.  Doh!
« Last Edit: January 22, 2009, 10:43:04 AM by FC1 »

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Re: Dry Powder Shelf Life?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
Getz, an affiliate of Amerex's parent company, do make powder recycling equipment to allow you to discharge and refill a stored pressure powder extinguisher in a closed environment, but such recycling is frowned upon by NFPA in the US, BSI here and most other bodies and the equipment is now meant to facilitate environmental disposal of agent rather than reuse (although some contractors still use it for recycling).

Ironically, even when Getz marketed their recovery equipment for reusing powder, Amerex (same group) said it was a big no no (& still do) http://www.amerex-fire.com/articles/article/73.
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