RRO. Marquees

[Allen Higginson]

Buzzard905

Surely the marquee, table linen, soft furnishings etc etc are flame retardent


Having candles on a birthday cake is very dangerous you know.........


davo

Oh,and no flammable liquids either inside (so no Bushmills whisky!).
On the birthday candle front I have found an exclusive market for a product utilizing a large quantity of Halon that has came my way (cash payments only folks),in the form of a bespoke pipe network system system that surrounds the perimeter of the cake and is activated by the slightest twitch of anyones sphincter at the site of naked flame!!

[nearlythere]

The wording is slight officialdom gobbldegook but if it is the case that having a private gathering within a marquee (or in the greenhouse for that matter) does come under this then the world has officially lost all sense of rhyme and reason and we must all wait to get mother to check our hot (but not too hot) cocoa is suitable and that there isn't a bogeyman under the bed!
I'm moving to Guernsey to work as a kitchen porter!!!

No escape Buzz. Kitchens are a place of work and porters are employees. What about my bus stop?

[Allen Higginson]

The wording is slight officialdom gobbldegook but if it is the case that having a private gathering within a marquee (or in the greenhouse for that matter) does come under this then the world has officially lost all sense of rhyme and reason and we must all wait to get mother to check our hot (but not too hot) cocoa is suitable and that there isn't a bogeyman under the bed!
I'm moving to Guernsey to work as a kitchen porter!!!

No escape Buzz. Kitchens are a place of work and porters are employees. What about my bus stop?

ahhh,but not applicable in Guernsey as far as I'm aware (see also fair employment legislation where you can dismiss an employee for being caught in the family way,thus making them no longer of any use to you).

[nearlythere]

Confused. Caught in the family way? How do you avoid being caught in the family way? Do you mean being caught trying to be in the family way?
What about my bus stop?

[kurnal]

Having candles on a birthday cake is very dangerous you know.........

davo

It is Davo when you have as many as you need on the cake

[SmokeyDokey]

Messy, The back gareden of a private house is just that - part of a private dwelling. Guests don't make it any less so - or everytime you invited a friend round (yes Jokar he does have them) you'd be in an HMO. If its a communal garden then maybe different but to be honest unless the wedding reception is completely over the top and there was a complaint then no FRS is going to go near it.

Nearlythere, yes your bus stop is a relevant place so you can be assured of being well protected by the bus companies that run it. That said the Old HO fire department did agree to generic fire risk assessment for bus-stops under the old workplace regs so that probably still holds good - guess we'd better just hope you are a generic risk.

[Mike Buckley]

"domestic premises" means premises occupied as a private dwelling (including any garden, yard, garage, outhouse, or other appurtenance of such premises which is not used in common by the occupants of more than one such dwelling);

I would think the important bit is "not used in common" ie if your friends and neighbours all lived round your garden and used your garden without your permission then it would be "used in common". The fact that they have been invited to the wedding, barbqueue, bacalian orgy etc. means it is not used in common.

However look at the thread about student halls of residence and the legal opinion of what a dwelling is.

"Come tiptoe through the minefield with me!"

[nearlythere]

"domestic premises" means premises occupied as a private dwelling (including any garden, yard, garage, outhouse, or other appurtenance of such premises which is not used in common by the occupants of more than one such dwelling);

I would think the important bit is "not used in common" ie if your friends and neighbours all lived round your garden and used your garden without your permission then it would be "used in common". The fact that they have been invited to the wedding, barbqueue, bacalian orgy etc. means it is not used in common.

However look at the thread about student halls of residence and the legal opinion of what a dwelling is.

"Come tiptoe through the minefield with me!"

But just for arguement Mike one could not call a marquee a normal appurtenance one would expect as part of a private domestic premises. And what if there were persons employed in the marquee?
No F&R Service is going to serve an enforcement notice on a wedding marquee in someones garden anyway  but what if someone got burnt by something and decided to sue. Would the absence of a FRA be an issue?

[Mike Buckley]

Looking at it literally the quote states "other appurtenance" not "normal" which opens the field considerably. The legal eagles would argue that a covered swimming pool could not be a normal appurtenance for a house taking the standard of a terraced street. Therefore I would look at the marquee as an "other appurtenance".

About the people employed in the marquee. As I see it if the owner of the house uses his own domestic staff then they would be treated as domestic staff under the Order. If the owner employs a catering company to supply the staff, then it is up to the catering company, as the employer, to do the risk assessment for the employees.

If the marquee catches fire and people are burnt, injured etc, then I think it would depend on how the marquee was obtained. If it was hired from and erected by a specialist company then the company would carry the can.

I see that all the above would be regulated by the Criminal Law.

If someone is burnt and sues then it moves over to the Civil Law and the arguement is was the person being sued negligent and to what degree was the injured person responsible as they were not forced to enter the marquee.

That is how I see it, but it is back to the people with funny headgear to make a lot of money arguing about it.

[davio1960]

Lets look back at the original Q?

Does the RRO apply to marquee rented out and erected for a wedding? I am aware of a company who does not supply any signage or emergency lighting for this type of structure when used as described. Any views or opinions?

The answer can only be



we don't know?
The FSO does apply to any place
doe apply to any place where people are at risk
does apply to any people who are relevent people

IT DOES NOT APPLY TO MY OR YOUR KINGDOM.

It may therefore apply to tents and marquees...scout banjorees... girl guide camps and the country show at Shepton Mallet/Harrigate/my village fete
we need more detail on where its position is