RP Private Club

[afterburner]

Scottish take on this, the club needs a licence, to peddle booze (therefore employing a bar steward). The Fire (Scotland) Act applies by virtue of the licence, and the 'employer status' as an additional qualifier.

The next good bit is the 'person in control to any extent' rather than the RP in the RRO. Find out who controls the licence and the hiring and firing and you have it all sorted.

[kurnal]

The constitution of the club has absolutely no bearing on the fire safety order whatsoever.
When applying article 3 you look first to see if there is an employer involved.
In this case there is - it is the committee - they have the authority to "hire and fire". Once you have established that you dont go any further.

Retty You are absolutely right.

But I do tend to get interested in un-necessary and complicated detail such as if you prosecute the committee how many of them would you expect to turn up at court to answer the charge?

The committee has a legal identity - the committee is the RRRRResponsible PPPPerson.

But theres a lot of little rrrrrrs and ppppps there who have a hand in the deliberations. Who would answer for the Committee in Court is not really of concern to the Fire Authority but it sure is to the Club Captain! Thats why I suggest it does matter (to the Captain) what the constitution says.

[nearlythere]

The constitution of the club has absolutely no bearing on the fire safety order whatsoever.
When applying article 3 you look first to see if there is an employer involved.
In this case there is - it is the committee - they have the authority to "hire and fire". Once you have established that you dont go any further.

Retty You are absolutely right.

But I do tend to get interested in un-necessary and complicated detail such as if you prosecute the committee how many of them would you expect to turn up at court to answer the charge?

The committee has a legal identity - the committee is the RRRRResponsible PPPPerson.

But theres a lot of little rrrrrrs and ppppps there who have a hand in the deliberations. Who would answer for the Committee in Court is not really of concern to the Fire Authority but it sure is to the Club Captain! Thats why I suggest it does matter (to the Captain) what the constitution says.

If you were the Captain of the Banter Bar Golfing Society Kurnal, apart from "Rule 21 - The Club Captain shall not be charged for any drinks from the Bar", what sort of wording would you want to see in the Constitution to help keep you walking the streets a free man?

[kurnal]

"Nowt to do with me guv" is one I regularly see.

[nearlythere]

How's about "Captain? Me? Since when? But I wasn't even at the AGM."
Sounds a little like station democracy. If you don't attend the meeting you can expect to be volunteered for the job.

[Mr. P]

The golf club may be registered as a company. There 4, (oops sorry, couldn't resist) the secretary would be the person who is issued papers, etc.