EXCLUSIVE - Enforcement notice details wide-ranging fire safety breaches at CLG

[nearlythere]

http://www.info4fire.com/news-content/full/exclusive-enforcement-notice-details-wide-ranging-fire-safety-breaches-at-clg-headquarters?OmniTest_CampName=breaking%20news&OmniCamp_Name=breaking%20news&OmniWS_Name=info4fire.com&OmniWS_ID=265&OmniPR_Name=Newsletter_Info4Fire%20Weekly&OmniPR_ID=1506&OmniLink_Label=EXCLUSIVE%3A%20Enforcement%20notice%20details%20wide-ranging%20fire%20safety%20breaches%20at%20CLG%20headquarters&OmniDBG_URN=&OmniDBG_File_ID=&OmniSeg_Code=&OmniCC_Code=&OmniComp_Name=&OmniJob_Title=&Omni_Source=

Ha Ha Ha, He He He, Ho Ho Ho.

[Meerkat]

"Details of the inspection and the enforcement notice have come to light under a Freedom of Information request made to CLG by an individual linked to the fire safety industry."

Come on then own up - who was it?  Pretty shocking article really and of course the RP cannot be prosecuted due to Crown Immunity...

[kurnal]

Probably the same person who made the enquiry in respect of the fire at the fire service college.

But it appears to me that this is rife throughout many government departments and services.

And when as an outside  consultant you tell them the truth they first go into denial then  try and make you change what you have written in your report.  "We cant get it wrong- we are the ............" If you insist on standing by your report they sack you as a consultant. Bitter experience of a week working for nothing.

[Bobbins]

On the day of the competence council meeting too.

I believe that two very red faced representatives of CLG will be at the meeting today.

Councils, Fire and Rescue, large supermarkets, and now CLG all getting it wrong; what hope for the little man, who has done it himself. None or very little I would suggest, but he won't have the luxury of avoiding a fine like the crown does. 

Is the RRO working, no, no, no, and no. 

The industry needs to get a grip on this and quickly, give the solution to CLG and if they ignore it then they do so fully aware of how it could be different.

[Clevelandfire 3]

I wish I had exposed this story I really do.  I am so very pleased that their short comings have been exposed, because it just reflects the poor service deliver y of the department as a whole. Time to say goodbye.  Time for Pickles to pull the plug on CLG !! In the meantime Ill be writing some very smug emails to my big pals at CLG. Ha ha!

[John Webb]

I think it fair to say that this is nothing new in government circles. While in charge of fire precautions at the Fire Research Station I and my bosses often had to argue long and hard about additional fire precautions - sometimes the (then DoE) HQ senior civil servants didn't seem to take on board that not only were we experts on fire but were deliberately lighting fires on the premises!

The whole business of 'Crown Immunity' is outdated - the ministries are really government (and therefore public) property and should be treated like any other business, in my opinion. Breaches of any regulations should result in departments and the appropriate senior mangement being in court.

(For those not in the know about 'Crown Immunity', the term comes about because the buildings, being used by Her Majesty's Government are deemed to be the property of the Crown, ie the Queen. But criminal actions are bought against law breakers by the Queen, and the arguement goes that you can't have the Queen taking herself to court..........)

[nearlythere]

Maybe the government and it's various wings has realised that there really isn't such a big fire risk out there at all and most of the usual fire precautions measures are somewhat OTT.
Pity they couldn't share this view with the private sector rather than allowing it to continually pump millions into the Department of Style - Fire Precautions Division.
But hey, look at the number of jobs this great deceit has created.
Is this going to be the catalyst for a radical down grading of fire safety to a realistic level? If it's good enough for one of the world's biggest employers surely it's good enough for most of the smallest.

[Wiz]

Maybe the government and it's various wings has realised that there really isn't such a big fire risk out there at all and most of the usual fire precautions measures are somewhat OTT.
Pity they couldn't share this view with the private sector rather than allowing it to continually pump millions into the Department of Style - Fire Precautions Division.
But hey, look at the number of jobs this great deceit has created.
Is this going to be the catalyst for a radical down grading of fire safety to a realistic level? If it's good enough for one of the world's biggest employers surely it's good enough for most of the smallest.

It is one of the Government's tasks to create jobs.

They have always tried to put the cost of creating these jobs onto business. By doing so they avoid putting the cost directly onto the individual potential voter, although the costs filter down to them in the long run.

I agree that it is the deceit of the whole thing that is worrying.

Everything in this country is an 'us and them' situation and if it only affects 'them' rather than us' then most people just ignore the implications.

One of the ways of creating jobs is by unnecessary legislation. Obviously they have to try to ensure that all business doesn't collapse under the strain of the legislative burdens imposed on it. However, we are getting close to it from the laws and rules passed by the previous Government.

The new Government has got a lot of hard work ahead of them.

I don't think they will suceed.

[afterburner]

The is no Crown Immunity in Scotland in respect of The Fire (Scotland) Act, or the Fire Safety (Scotland) Regulations, or the Building Standards arising from the Building (Scotland) Act.

No Crown Immunity = legisaltive compliance.

excuse me a moment, another squadron of pigs are waiting for take off clearance

[MPC]

ho ho ho no no no

[nearlythere]

From my reading of the F&RS NI Order the High Court can declare the Crown as acting unlawfully but it cannot be made criminally liable.
Why bother then?

[Midland Retty]

Well what a suprise (I dont think)

Time for a bit of a shake up at the CLG.

Naughty naughty!

[jokar]

have a look  at this link.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10284695.stm

[Tall Paul]

Nice bit of cross referencing by the BBC.

[Davo]

Further update


http://www.info4fire.com/news-content/full/clg-blames-previous-administration-for-fire-safety-breaches-at-hq


davo