Bomb Alerts

[nearlythere]

I'm surprised the guidance doesn't include the issuing of wire cutters to cut the red wire - or is it the blue one?

Vounteers for bomb search duties?  

I'll make no more comments on this matter.

[Chris Houston]

I'm surprised the guidance doesn't include the issuing of wire cutters to cut the red wire - or is it the blue one?

Vounteers for bomb search duties?  

If we get a bomb scare on FireNet, I'll be expecting the Hero Members to volunteer first.

Edit: Opps, just realised I'm one too...

[Midland Retty]

Nobody goes to verify if a bomb is genuine or not C3, other than the army.

Sorry to disagree.  But it should be staff who do the search.  The searchers need to be the people who work there normally and should be familiar with the area.  Army bomb experts won't know what is our of place in a work place.  Naturally, you can't force people to do this task and it will fall to volunteers.

http://www.cpni.gov.uk/SecurityPlanning/searchPlanning.aspx

Spot on Chris, before joining the brigade I worked for an organisation which received regular bomb threats because of the nature of it's activities. Security staff would check areas for suspicious packages once a threat was received.

Clearly they wouldnt touch or tamper with the package, there role was to confirm if the threat was genuine or not, and to establish locations of any potential devices.

[nearlythere]

MR
If they do not touch or tamper with packaging how will they know what is in the package? Not unless it has a "Bomb - Handle with Care" sign or goes tick tock.
Sorry. Forgot myself. I did make a comment.

Or should it be the green wire?

[Midland Retty]

Now, now Nearlythere.

You shouldnt touch suspicious looking packages instead you call in those nice people from the bomb squad.

Lets say someone phones up with a bomb threat - infact lets imagine its dear old C3 saying his left something nasty in the third floor toilets of our office block

A Security detail goes up to check the third floor loos, and low and behold finds a strange parcel in one of the cubicles.

Who knows what it is? Has someone dropped it? Could it be the bomb, is it disguarded property? The phone call specifically identifies the third floor loos, and in the loos there is a strange looking parcel. Now Im no brain surgeon but even I would start to wonder at this point.

So the security detail errs on the side of caution and reports back to control. They building is evacuated and the professionals called to analyse the parcel.

Simplessssssssssss. Oh and It's the red wire actually.

[nearlythere]

Has someone dropped it?

Listen Action Man. Have you never dropped one in the loo?

The only steps I and my former colleagues ever took with regards to devices, whether suspect or not, was feckin big ones - backwards. That's why nearly all of us are still here today.

And you never ever cut the red one, not until you nearly cut the green one and, at the very last nanosecond, change you mind.

Best thing to do if you discover a bomb is to stop what you are doing immediately, slowly reach down and behind you, lift a handfull of cack and gently cover the detonator with it.

How do I know there will be cack behind me I hear you ask.

Don't worry, there will and plenty of it.

Sorry to make light of a very important issue.

I shall not comment on this matter again.

[Mike Buckley]

The problem as I see it is there can be no generalised answer. This has got to be assessed as part of an emergency plan for each particular premises. A plan that would suit an office building, such as everyone stays inside and moves away from the windows, could be suicide for a fireworks factory.

The answer must be: it depends. It depends on what the strategy for a bomb alert is, it depends on whether the alarm system can be configured to give different warnings, it depends on whether the occupants can be trained to respond to different alerts in different ways, and so on.

[CivvyFSO]

Im sorry Kurnal you reply is quite inaccurate for several reasons.

Rather than take this thread in a different direction and risk the wrath of Sir Houston or even Dame Kurnal, I would like to refer you to the banter thread and deal with this there....

[Clevelandfire 3]

I'm surprised the guidance doesn't include the issuing of wire cutters to cut the red wire - or is it the blue one?

Vounteers for bomb search duties?  

If we get a bomb scare on FireNet, I'll be expecting the Hero Members to volunteer first.

Edit: Opps, just realised I'm one too...

thatts Sneeky you changged yor orrignal post

[Chris Houston]

Given that my edit was prefixed by the words "Edit", I would suggest that it is about as unsneaky as it gets.

I wouldn't normally comment, but you did spell 5 out of 7 words incorrectly, might this be an appropriate time to reassess your late night weekend postings? 

[Clevelandfire 3]

Given that my edit was prefixed by the words "Edit", I would suggest that it is about as unsneaky as it gets.

I wouldn't normally comment, but you did spell 5 out of 7 words incorrectly, might this be an appropriate time to reassess your late night weekend postings? 

Sweeping statement in another place you said you liked things backed up by science and fact, time to reassess your late night postings?

[kurnal]

Time Gentlemen please! Even if meant in humour, personal digs going back and forth at each other dont help take the discussion forward.

[Thebeardedyorkshireman]

Hello Girls and Boys
Whilst I have not sent a reply for some time I still have a look at the site from time to time. At one time I thought we were getting over run by a particular individual and I walked away.
How are you all keeping and how is Matron these days?
To answer Davo directly, yes there is something that can be done both along the lines of Kurnals comments and as a retro fit. In Wales we use voice messages in both English and Welsh. This, on the face of it, will probably generate much mirth but to those of a technical background, will confirm that a soundbite ( secret message) can be broadcast under certain circumstances if you know how. Simples.
Dave

[Tom Sutton]

Try this copy of HO guidance http://www.exchange-tower.co.uk/files/occguide/bomb_evacuation.htm it should dictate the requirements of any evacuation procedure.

[Dinnertime Dave]

Hello Girls and Boys
In Wales we use voice messages in both English and Welsh.

Do you give the message in Welsh or English first.

I have this unwritten rule about flying and having an english speaking pilot, if the pilot is going to crash i want to know about it.