self - closing fire door on bathroom

[Mushy]

Hi all

under what circumstances, if ever, would any of you consider doing this?

[Mr. P]

HMO. Shared ablutions where bathroom is seperate from individuals accommodation. To protect occupants DDA requirements.

[Mushy]

cheers MR P...but a fire door as well as self closer?

[Mr. P]

I have seen them used in above example. Door had vents which were linked to AFD system. Bathroom required vents so use of door was made - ok fine me thinks, corridor was protected so seems to make sense. Is it overkill? Not in this case I believe. Typical 3 floor, 4 wing, 70+ bed flat accom with personal ensuite showers and a communal bath for DDA or those who preferred. Only 1 staircase though (OUCH) although protected by double compartmentation, giving stay put ability and refuge areas, auto AFD linked venting to stairs all levels and roof.

[nearlythere]

Hi all
under what circumstances, if ever, would any of you consider doing this?

If bathroom contained a fire risk. You might consider it if there was a hot press, with imersion heater, usually for storing bedding, towels etc. FRSC door to bathroom more likely to be maintained closed than FRSC door to hotpress.
Other electric equipment.
Possibly uncollared plastic soil and waste water pipes transferring through floor or walls into adjacent compartments.

[Mushy]

ta all

the only reason I asked is cos a chap I know at a certain fire safrty department has looked at a FRA done by a fire risk assessor and it says that a 30 min FRSC door should be put on a bathroom cos it's on a protected route and has an electric shower

[Tom Sutton]

Many moons ago if a ladies toilet was on a protected route and had a bunny burner (an electrical incinerator) we asked for a 30 minute protection but since the advent of tampons I suspect its not a problem any more.

[FSO]

ta all

the only reason I asked is cos a chap I know at a certain fire safrty department has looked at a FRA done by a fire risk assessor and it says that a 30 min FRSC door should be put on a bathroom cos it's on a protected route and has an electric shower

Seems a bit anal

[wee brian]

Looking at the stats. There are a fair no of fires in bathrooms. However the fire load is probably a fair bit less than bedrooms and living rooms.

[nearlythere]

Plastic baths normally found in bathrooms could be a problem. High fire load & lots of smoke.

[Tom Sutton]

There are many items in a bathroom that are combustible but ignition sources are in short supply or was before candles became the modern craze, identifying ignitions sources is most important.

[Dinnertime Dave]

Plastic baths normally found in bathrooms could be a problem. High fire load & lots of smoke.

Add to this the provision of an electric hoist and I would consider self closing doors

[Auntie LIn]

I have heard it said that in high rise flats, where the residents had chip-pan fires there were concerns what they might do with the flaming pan.
One school of thought had it that where people in conventional housing would go out through the back door with the pan (and don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning this as an idea), the flat resident would take the pan into the bathroom and stand it in the (plastic) bath.

[BLEVE]

There have been a number of fires atributed to overheating of ceiling mounted ventilation fans (absence or failure of thermal cut out) which has then fallen from it's mounting and resulted in the ignition of composite polymer bath tub.

off set position away fromtub may be the way to go.

Also as Tom states, candles are responsible for a considerable number of domestic fires. (Less likely in shower cubicle though) unless devil worshippers


Similar situation may apply with regard to ventilator overheating and ignition of composite polymer shower tray (HRR greater than plastic)

BTW........Live in a four storey Gaff with protected staircase and self closing 30 min doors on my bathrooms Handy as I dont fancy abseiling from either of my balconies as a MOE with Mrs Bleve (in accordance with the Marriage Act) and sprogs in tow.......Great view though