Will Lord Young attack fire safety too?

[Davo]

The 40 recommendations by Lord Young on H & S will be revealed at the Tory Conference in two weeks.
There is a suggestion that he will include some aspects of fire safety in deregulation ie no FRA where less than 20 employed (shades of FPA) and other similar tweakings.

Seeking comments, please, or info if in the know

Also will the EU permit lessening the standards set?


davo

[colin todd]

Davo, I am ill with a chest infection, but your post is making me feel better already.

[nearlythere]

The 40 recommendations by Lord Young on H & S will be revealed at the Tory Conference in two weeks.
There is a suggestion that he will include some aspects of fire safety in deregulation ie no FRA where less than 20 employed (shades of FPA) and other similar tweakings.

Seeking comments, please, or info if in the know
Also will the EU permit lessening the standards set?
davo

If true is it really any wonder with the way some, who have the ears of those in power, are trying to turn a fairly straight forward Risk Assessment process into such a monster only for those who can calculate the cube root of an orange but are unable to peel it.

[Davo]

Update

See para 5

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8011250/At-last-an-end-to-this-health-and-safety-madness.html


Know anybody qualified in Food Safety and Health and Safety and Fire Safety?


Neither do I


davo



daft old sod

[nearlythere]

Update

See para 5

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8011250/At-last-an-end-to-this-health-and-safety-madness.html


Know anybody qualified in Food Safety and Health and Safety and Fire Safety?


Neither do I


davo



daft old sod

I'm competent in all three Davo.
I haven't poisoned myself, fallen down a hole, had somethig fall on me or received a burn yet so I must be. I can therefore train others to be like me.

Seriously though this end to health and safety "madness" is all it will be. It will not remove the principles of safety, but clarify them so that school children do not have to wear suits of armour when playing conkers, goggles when sharpening pencils (where pencils are still allowed) and Blunket's Bobbies and firefighters can paddle in knee deep water without a wet suit, bouyancy aid and roped to 20 others to help people in danger without a Chief Officer cacking him/herself.

[Mike Buckley]

Although I welcome the idea to stop the frivolous legal action from the "no win, no fee" brigade, I don't think it will stop the health and safety madness. One of the major problems as I see it is the use of health and safety as an excuse not a reason. Hence if a worker doesn't want to do something they cite health and safety, if an employer wants to stop something they cite health and safety. If either of them wants to do something, health and safety goes out of the window.

The original idea of health and safety was to assess a task, discover any major hazards and mitigate them. Too often the answer has been not to do the task at all.

[AnthonyB]

On paper I can do all three as well! 

But I wouldn't like to try in practice - jack of all trades and all that - unless it was for a specific type and size of properties where the various issues in each field are going to be quite narrow or for as an in house team with premises where there is ongoing day to day involvement.

I would hope the overkill in the sector goes, but fear that some of the decent stuff could go with it, particularly if it is used as an excuse to cut back on enforcement - self regulation isn't perfect as the numbers of notices and prosecutions show.

[Mr. P]

Davo wrote 'Know anybody qualified in Food Safety and Health and Safety and Fire Safety?'

No, but, if you bbq, getting everything nice and burnt will kill most bugs. You may get a small fire involving what you 'cook' and, you may increase your chances of certain cancers by eating all the extra carbon (medical proof not available).

[Clevelandfire 3]

why dont we go the whole hog and have a super enforcer that specialises in everything thats enforceable from counter terrorism and illegal parking to elf and safety and dog fouling

[colin todd]

Will you want a reference when you apply for the job, Clevey?

[Davo]

The report is out today, he seems to have backed down in quite a few areas.
Both the party speech and the report show he hasn't quite understood H & S
Sound familiar

davo

[Steven N]

well theres a surprise a politician spouts off for a cheap cheer then reality arrives!

[FSO]

Well, no mention of fire safety.

Perhaps it was a little too complex for him! 

http://www.number10.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/402906_CommonSense_acc.pdf

[Midland Retty]

U-turns seem to be the order of the day with the coalition Government

A re-think on the schools budget, and defence, a U turn regarding health and safety?

What next I wonder?

[FSO]

The coalition itself I would imagine!