Author Topic: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR  (Read 43065 times)

Offline Tom W

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2011, 09:13:58 AM »
We will have to disagree then, am I right in thinking you don't work for a "big" company? Where are you making this judgement?

Agree to disagree it is then.My judgement comes from personal experience (I've worked for bigger companies and have also 'gone it alone') It is also based on discussions I have with risk assessors from all kinds backgrounds in the industry on a regular basis. But anyway we digress. Back to the main argument.

There seems to be mixed concensus with regard to accreditation.Some say its good, others say it is bad.

So what I'd like to know is where does this leave the RP? How on earth do they know how to pick a decent, pukka, competent Risk Assessor or Consultant ?

Ive never said third party accrediation is a good thing, it doesn't really mean that an accredited person is better than a non accredited person or that it offers any form of guarantee (although it should).

But why is it then I would select a a Gas Safe Engineer or NIC EIC Electrician to work on my gas / electrics and not just Joe Bloggs the handy man, down the road who has been recommended to me?

Its a mixed bag especially when there are a number of different accreditation schemes and my personal opinion (although others may agree) is that they have set the bar at different levels.

You would hope a business should be used to analysing a companies worth by looking for things like ISO, insurance? proof of trading history, example work, references and 3rd party accred along with that lot.

It is strange though that you can have an electrician do certain works that require part P but they can then get the work signed off by a part P registered tech. So I can do the wiring in my house myself but just pay sparky ltd to come along and vouch for it.

Does this mean that fast forward a few years, this could happen to FRA?

I agree with you ( ;D) when you say about it being a mixed consensus, i'm a sit on the fence person. I see no reason why its not a good thing but its not all of the thing.

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2011, 02:33:38 PM »
Several brigades have civilised to save enforcement costs, they then aren't going all to blow that money on IFE accreditation!

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2011, 03:42:19 PM »
Thats the problem anybody who can afford it can buy accreditation.

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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2011, 04:59:22 PM »
Thats the problem anybody who can afford it can buy accreditation.

It's the price of a new TV not a new car!

The FBU have given a report to CFOA which recommends competent persons certification for all enforcement officers. I don't think they will go for that but they may instigate some core training modules across all forces to try and improve things. However the reality is that FRSs are going to struggle to maintain even the limited inspection service they offer now. Fire Futures dictates that an input from industry is now required to assist the FRS to fulfill this role.

Private enforcement officers could do a lot for a stretched service but that’s another can of worms. .

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2011, 05:07:33 PM »
Thats the point most people can afford a tv and an awful lot can afford a car too this does not make them competent many cannot change the channel when something they find offensive comes on and as for cars!!!

You have licences for both.


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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2011, 08:40:22 PM »
Thats the point most people can afford a tv and an awful lot can afford a car too this does not make them competent many cannot change the channel when something they find offensive comes on and as for cars!!!

You have licences for both.



Sorry Chariot I miss read your quote. You think accreditation is just a rubber stamp and that you don’t have to do anything to get it apart from pay your cheque to the CB.

I think you must be talking about some of the schemes I am not familiar with. Have you been through assessment by a CB or are you just assuming that its easy to get if you pay the fees?

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2011, 08:13:28 PM »
Hi,
    I have been on the sidelines for a while, reading the posts and enjoying. Picking up a lot of info and of course enjoying the jokes. (well most of them.)

Here is the latest on the proscecution of the "Fire Risk Assessor", who services fire extinguishers and admits to not knowing much about fire risk assessments.

http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/jailed_pair_put_profit_before_fire_safety_at_two_mansfield_hotels_1_3570739

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2011, 10:46:41 PM »
Hi,
    I have been on the sidelines for a while, reading the posts and enjoying. Picking up a lot of info and of course enjoying the jokes. (well most of them.)

Here is the latest on the proscecution of the "Fire Risk Assessor", who services fire extinguishers and admits to not knowing much about fire risk assessments.

http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/jailed_pair_put_profit_before_fire_safety_at_two_mansfield_hotels_1_3570739

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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2011, 06:12:56 PM »
Mr O Rourke would have been better to mug a few old ladies on pension day. He would have made more than £150 and would have got community service carrying old ladies shopping bags and making them cups of tea, rather than 8 months in prison.  He possibly believed the civil servants when they told everyone that FRAs would not be a burden on the RP as specialists would not be required.  Wonder if he will appeal.
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Re: LANDMARK FIRE SAFETY PROSECUTION OF FIRE RISK ASSESSOR
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2011, 01:06:21 AM »
Useful.

I wonder if the 'not sufficiently maintained' for the extinguishers was simply meaning more than 12 months since the last service, or that the servicing was substandard.

I only ask because the convicted assessor was primarily an extinguisher service person and normally these types of firms get their FRA work from people they already do extinguisher maintenance from.
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