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Offline Tom Sutton

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Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« on: January 17, 2013, 07:49:14 PM »
I know the HSE say vehicles subject to ADR and if a transport unit is not carrying dangerous goods in accordance with ADR 1.1.3.6, it has to be equipped with at least one portable fire extinguisher for the inflammability classes* A, B and C, with a minimum capacity of 2kg dry powder (or an equivalent capacity for any other suitable extinguishing agent) suitable for fighting a fire in the engine or cab of the transport unit.

Other state 1kg or 2kg dry powder should be used but are there other alternatives.  http://www.hse.gov.u...pdf/fire-ex.pdf

What is the best choice and size fire extinguisher for a vehicles, private or commercial.



All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 10:09:19 AM »
2kg Powder for the cabs of any transport vehicle.
2 Litre foam for Public Service Vehicles.  1 Litre foams are sometimes fitted but as EN3 does not recognise 1 Litre foams forget them as the requirement is that extinguishers fitted must bear a verification mark to EN3.  (Consideration should be given to low freeze additive in my opinion but never seems to be done.)
Have a 4kg powder ready in my van for what it's worth.

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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 03:04:36 PM »
I carried 4/6Kg Powder and a 6Lt AFFF when I was an extinguisher engineer. I soon learn't that having a blanket helped, as lifting the bonnet with a burning engine was usually a bit warm  ::) . All I did was lift it , wedge it then empty the powder followed with the AFFF. I've never had a flare up with those.
For three years running I averaged 6 engine fires on the M61/2 but none for years now. The last "fire" (M66) I stopped a guy firing his 2Kg Co2 into a mass of steam from a split radiator pipe as he hit the panic button thinking there was a fire within the steam cloud.
I've just got a small s/p AFFF now for the van cab if mine goes up. The firm doesn't allow us to tackle fires or carry personal extinguishers or help other drivers. Not bad for a massive fire protection company eh?  ;)
They don't want liability. So I guess we've merely to drive on and ring it in.  ;)
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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 03:37:19 PM »
For three years running I averaged 6 engine fires on the M61/2 but none for years now.
:o  What the blazes (see what I did there?) were you doing to get all those fires?

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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 09:27:27 PM »
1.5 kilo BCF  ;D ;D ;D

Now that we have lost the wonder that was halon and a decent affordable clean agent hasn't emerged it's either powder or foam.

Powder has the plus point of the best mass for mass extinguishing power, important with small units, but has the usual issues of vision obscuration (hazard to traffic as well as the operator and really bad if you discharge it whilst in a vehicle, hence it's prohibition with PSV's and minibuses) no cooling and no flashback protection so you have to get it all out in one go, not always easy with vehicles and spilt fuel.

Foam allows partial extinction, cooling and gives flashback protection, plus doesn't have the vision & associated problems. But if it's a flowing fuel fire you are in trouble (unless you have a lot of extinguishers*) and requires operator skill as it's lower mass for mass power means a low capacity extinguisher is soon gone and any wastage vastly reduces what you can achieve.

The 1 litre is popular with at least one police force, several local authorities for taxis and some minibuses, PCVs and similar and despite not being an EN3 compliant size, the models on sale generally say "Manufactured in accordance with EN3, PED, CE" or similar and have the CE mark meaning that non specialists in extinguishers will accept them even for PSV purposes.

My main gripe with the 1 litre is it is too small for any meaningful fire fighting capability.

Size wise I'd go for nothing less than 2 kilo/2 litre size, although I've effectively used a 950g aerosol BC powder in the past.

In a perfect world you would have 2 extinguishers, powder for knock-down and foam for cooling and post knock-down security.

I have a 2 kilo ABC Powder in the footwell and a 6lb Monnex and 3 litre foam in the back.

* The difficulties using foam alone on a flowing fuel fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAgFK5M2PRM


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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 06:01:06 PM »
For three years running I averaged 6 engine fires on the M61/2 but none for years now.
:o  What the blazes (see what I did there?) were you doing to get all those fires?

Not me !! I was just driving along probably lost in a Ska tape - sorry CD !!
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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 06:05:33 PM »
I've used BCF's in the past but the motorway draft combined with wind factors didn't help!
The dry powder "cloud" lasts a few seconds but was always more preferable and cleared a lot faster than the black cloud of engine fire smoke drifting accross the lanes !  ;D
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Re: Best fire extinguisher for a vehicle private or commerial
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 09:09:37 PM »
For three years running I averaged 6 engine fires on the M61/2 but none for years now.
:o  What the blazes (see what I did there?) were you doing to get all those fires?

Not me !! I was just driving along probably lost in a Ska tape - sorry CD !!
Ah... Was thinking you had an aversion to going past 2nd gear. :)