Author Topic: Green BGU Test Frequency?  (Read 27382 times)

Offline colin todd

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3473
  • Civilianize enforcement -you know it makes sense.
    • http://www.cstodd.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2016, 01:03:35 AM »
Mickey is correct that the need for weekly testing comes from the fact that the weekly fire alarm test does not do the job.  Let me have one last try.

See a green break glass is normally there in case the fire alarm interface fails.  Probability very low (call it x where x is a very small fraction, like 1 in 100,000), consequences kind of pretty bad, especially if there are people who are not familiar with the normal means of egress control.  If the fire alarm system fails you rely on the normal mushroom head push button (if present). It goes through an access control system commonly which is not designed as a life safety system (and I have personally known them to fail and had to deal with fall out), but probability y (y low but nothing like as low as x). So we have the green break glass. Probability of failure very low (a bit like x, but call it z).

In a fire alarm system, because z is low and the consequences of failure (someone has to use another call point to raise the alarm) may not be too awful, we live with annual testing.

In a conventional arrangement, for people to be trapped in a burning building, the probability is xyz, which is so low you can forget about it, particularly as the weekly fire alarm test means that the down time of the very low probability event is short.

Now look at Davey's wee building.  If there is no fire alarm interface, probability of people being trapped is much greater, namely yz if you have the mushroom heads or just z if not.  So for example, say x were 1 in 100,000, Davey's trapped people are more likely to die by a factor of 100,000 than people in conventional arrangement.  If a door is even semi critical, why would you, as well as massively increasing the likelihood  of failure, increase the down time for which it is allowed to exist.  Microswitches do stick (though how I know this since all I do is sit at a desk and write standards I am not sure).

Cant see it myself but not sure I really care.
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

Offline kurnal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6489
    • http://www.peakland-fire-safety.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2016, 11:54:47 AM »
One for Dave Rooney perhaps- do many call points use micro switches? I have taken a couple apart and they used large brass exposed contacts?

Offline David Rooney

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • http://ctafire.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2016, 03:45:48 PM »
Have to say all the ones I'm familiar with have a micro switch pushing against the plastic/glass element ........
CTA Fire - BAFE SP203 - F Gas Accredited - Wireless Fire Alarm System Specialists - Established 1985 - www.ctafire.co.uk
Natural Born Cynic

Offline kurnal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6489
    • http://www.peakland-fire-safety.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2016, 08:21:43 PM »
Thanks Dave that's an oops from me then- had a training kit for those clients who wanted alarm glass replacement training, used to match what they had as far as possible but in my box only the latest Gent resettable had a micro switch. Kit must have been way out of date!

Offline colin todd

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3473
  • Civilianize enforcement -you know it makes sense.
    • http://www.cstodd.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2016, 10:42:17 PM »
Ah Big Al , three wire circuits with call points switching 230V (which at the time we called 240V) onto mains sounders, and drop flag indicator CIE, were those not the days!  It all went downhill with decimalisation, after which I could not longer buy broken biscuits from the local grocer for a penny.
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

Offline David Rooney

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • http://ctafire.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2016, 12:50:01 PM »
It's never been the same since Roy Orbison died ................  ;D
CTA Fire - BAFE SP203 - F Gas Accredited - Wireless Fire Alarm System Specialists - Established 1985 - www.ctafire.co.uk
Natural Born Cynic

Offline colin todd

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3473
  • Civilianize enforcement -you know it makes sense.
    • http://www.cstodd.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2016, 09:53:52 PM »
He's dead?
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

Offline wee brian

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2424
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2016, 10:03:48 AM »
I'm crying, its over...

Offline colin todd

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3473
  • Civilianize enforcement -you know it makes sense.
    • http://www.cstodd.co.uk
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2016, 10:27:07 PM »
Is there no more left in the bottle, Brian?
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

Offline wee brian

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2424
Re: Green BGU Test Frequency?
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2016, 09:45:29 AM »
you got it, Colin