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The latest draft of the new guidance is now available for public comment at  http://www.cfoa.org.uk/21972


The draft can be downloaded from the CFOA website.  If intending to comment please read the relevant notes on the CFOA website.  In particular, any comments should be made on the template provided on the website, and proposals for amendments should be definitive, suggesting specific wording or rewording with reference to specific paragraphs or sections.  It will be difficult to deal with comments along the lines.... there should be something said about xyz or whatever.
 
If any one attended the roadshows and would particularly like a track changes version to show what changes were made after the version circulated to delegates in advance of the roadshows, we can provide this if you email us at spechousing@cstodd.co.uk, which is the email to which the comments should also be sent.
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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 08:56:41 PM »
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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 09:55:13 PM »
Just to remind people, public comment needs to be received by the end of the month.  We cannot guarantee that late comments will be able to be taken into account as we are on a strict timetable for publication.

There are 3 items that stand out as being contentious from our consultations and comments received thus far:

1. Compartmentation of roof voids, and the assertion that a fire resisting ceiling across the top floor flats does not do the same job as party walls going through the void.  There is only mild arguement against the principle, but the cost of rectification is regarded as an issue, which is why the latest draft talks about it being done in a planned manner.  This may take the heat out of it.

2. Removal of telecare from some sheltered housing flats, where residents dont need pull cords and pendants because they are fit and able.  Our view is that they still need monitoring of the smoke alarms as that is for safety of everyone else and may well fall within the scope of the FSO.  There is actually quite a lot of support for this view from the housing sector and EAs, but some providers see it differently.

3. Standby power supplies and duplicate pumps for suppression systems recommended in the guide, which means systems in all new sheltered housing, but retrofit only in high risk suuported housing where there are not enough staff to evacuate some residents in one hit.  To my mind the power supply issue is non-negotiable, but we are interested in public comment on duplicate pumps-positive as well as negative.

More generally, if anyone supports these and any other likely contentious recommendations, a positive comment could be as useful as a negative comment, as it should not be assumed that things people like in the recs will not be reconsidered if the only comments are negative.
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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2017, 04:42:57 PM »
Colski, I have been asked if I know when the guide is likely to be published, could you give me a rough idea please ?
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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2017, 08:34:23 PM »
Bruce Almighty,

April.
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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2017, 09:08:03 PM »
Thanks Colski.

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Re: Guide on fire safety in specialized housing: draft for public comment
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 10:20:25 PM »
Nothing is too much trouble for you Bruce Almighty.
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Has the guide been published Colski?

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No Bruce Almighty.  There is a short delay occasioned by style requirements of the (now) NFCC.  But be patient, elderly gent, and watch this space.
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Thanks Colski.

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No bother, Bruce Almighty.
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BruceAlmighty, in keeping with my solemn promise to you, as a member of the ex crashers of crash gearboxes and sprayers of water society, I hereby  inform you of the publication of the wonderful, the amazing, the one and only guide on specialized housing. It is on the NFCC website.

Oh Brucey, it is the most riveting read you will have had since you perused the pages with youthful enthusiasm of such publications as Hook ladders, firemen for the use of,  or the Manual on changing the oil of a Dennis F12 ET,  or The Skirts for control operators (colour, tightness and length) regulations 1952.

ENJOY!
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Steady on Colski I'm not that old, Dennis F108 to be precise  :) thanks for the heads up though,cheers.

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CT thinks we may be half as knowledgeable as him, for those less informed, like me,

Check out https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/News/nfcc-launches-specialised-housing-guidance and https://cfoaservices.co.uk/attachment/download/link/id/279/ 
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.