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Offline Thebeardedyorkshireman

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2006, 12:19:21 PM »
We tried to look up all the information this morning to give a clear responce but it would appear that whatever you try to do to comply with one set of legislation, then another gets you. Safest way is to eat them on the premises. Don't try to move them in a vehicle whatever you do.

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2006, 07:19:49 PM »
More data here from what was the NRPB. There's a higher level of radiation in a luminescent watch face incidentally than a smoke alarm.
http://www.hpa.org.uk/radiation/understand/information_sheets/icsds.htm

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2006, 11:12:07 AM »
Thanks Gel but here comes the rub!! Domestic smoke detectors are not covered by the RSA according to DEFRA report noDEFRA/RAS02.013 dated march 2002 which was a proposal to modify the exemption orders under the act. Therefore can you legaly throw these in the rubbish? And if they are not covered by the RSA how many can you store, which is how this started. Clear as mud

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2006, 12:21:42 PM »
i was always under the impression an individual could legally dispose them by 'binning' them, but a 'business/company' etc had to dispose of them via registered waste carriers - bearing in mind the actual dangers posed by the source type and strength i still have no reason to believe otherwise - unless someone can definitively prove that not to be the case on a legal basis? i am always willing to learn if someone does have the definitive answer

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 09:33:35 PM »
IONISATION CHAMBER SMOKE DETECTORS &
THE RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL (ROAD TRANSPORT)
REGULATIONS 2002
1 BACKGROUND
Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 1093, The Radioactive Material (Road Transport)
Regulations 2002, introduced new regulations pertinent to the transport of
radioactive materials. These regulations, which are commonly known as
RAMRoad02, came into force on 7th June 2002. The 2002 regulations were
amended, with effect from 22nd August 2003, by Statutory Instrument 2003 No.
1867, The Radioactive Material (Road Transport) (Amendment) Regulations 2003.
The introduction of the 2002 Regulations revokes the 1996 Regulations.
International Regulations
Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 1093 implements the international agreement on the
Regulations for the Safe Transport of Radioactive Material (1996 Edition (Revised))
published by the International Atomic Energy Authority (“IAEA1996”). It also covers
the European Agreement concerning the international carriage of dangerous goods
by road (“ADR”) with any amendment up to 1st July 2001 and the Council Directives
96/29/EURATOM and Commission Directive 2001/7/EC.
2 INTRODUCTION
The regulations covered by RAMRoad02 affect many BFPSA members who either
manufacture or use ionization chamber smoke detectors (ICSDs). In order to raise
the awareness of the changes and the implications that the new regulations have on
the way that companies operate their businesses, this document summarises the
key requirements that apply to the Fire Detection and Alarm Industry and what
companies have to do to comply with the requirements for packaging ICSDs and
transporting them.
3 PACKAGING REQUIREMENTS OF RAMROAD02
Requirements
Under regulation 41, ion detectors in packages (i.e. a box or a pallet of boxes if
bound together) whose total Am241 activity is less than 1GBq (or less than 30,000
ion detectors at 33.3kBq each) can be transported as ‘excepted packages’. Under
this regulation, the dose rate on any surface must not exceed 5μSv/h. The following
conditions also apply to excepted packages:
1) Each package must be legibly and durably marked on the outside of the
packaging with an identification of either or both the consignor or consignee
(Schedule 6).
2) The outside of the package must be marked with “UN2911” but does not
require an indication of the presence of radioactive material within (no trefoil
need be present).
3) The package must however include a warning, visible when the package is
opened, to the effect that it contains radioactive material.
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 2 of 4
4) The package must be accompanied by a signed “transport document”, (Schedule 6,
paragraph 17), which:
a) Includes a heading or reference to The Radioactive Material (Road Transport)
Regulations 2002;
b) Lists the consignors name and address, and provides an emergency telephone
number;
c) Lists the consignees name and address;
d) Includes the UN class and UN number and proper shipping name assigned to
the material transported, i.e. “Class 7, UN2911 RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL,
EXCEPTED PACKAGE – INSTRUMENTS”.
5) The transport document must include a declaration (Schedule 6, paragraphs 18 to 21),
which:
a) States “Contents are fully and accurately described by the proper shipping
name and are classified, packed, marked and labelled, and are in all respects in
proper condition for transport by road according to applicable international and
national regulations.”
b) Has provision for a dated, authorised signature (a facsimile signature is
acceptable).
Under regulation 42, empty packages that have previously contained radioactive material may be
transported as an excepted package only if:
1) The re-used package is in a well-maintained condition and is securely closed.
2) Contamination, when averaged over any area of 300 cm2 of any part of the surface,
does not exceed 40 Bq/cm2.
3) Any label(s) that may have been displayed in conformity with the labeling requirements
of the regulations are no longer visible.
Recommendations
1) Make sure that your company’s Dispatch department is equipped with the means of
marking cartons containing ICSDs with the mandatory “UN2911” marking. This must
be legible and durable.
2) The text specified for a “transport document”, together with the declaration and
provision for authorization should be added to the company’s specific shipping
documents.
3) Individuals within the company involved with shipping should be authorized to sign the
declaration printed on the shipping documents.
4) Arrange to have a double-sided sheet printed with “WARNING – RADIOACTIVE
MATERIAL” printed on it. The radioactive trefoil may be included on this sheet. This
should be placed in the bottom and at the top of any carton containing ionisation
detectors.
4 TRANSPORT OF ICSDS IN A VEHICLE
Requirement
In Schedule 1, the RAMRoad02 regulations include nuclide specific quantities below which the
transport of radioactive material is exempt from the regulations. For Am241 the activity limit for
an exempt consignment is 10 kBq, therefore the transporter of a single ICSD has duties under
RAMRoad02.
Implications
This means that anyone carrying a single ICSD in a vehicle is subject to the RAMRoad02
regulations.
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 3 of 4
Requirement
When carrying excepted packages, drivers of vehicles, and any assistant present in the
vehicle, must have received general training to enable them to understand the hazards
presented by the goods they are transporting and the actions to be taken in the event of an
emergency.
The Regulations apply to company vehicles, private vehicles, hired vehicles and public
transport vehicles.
Implications
The implications of this legislative requirement are far reaching for BFPSA members; some of
the limitations it imposes are listed below:
a) Sales Managers cannot have samples of ion detectors in their cars unless they comply
with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
b) Technical sales staff cannot have samples of ion detectors in their cars when going on
a site visit unless they comply with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
c) Engineers dealing with third party approvals cannot take samples of ion detectors to
BRE, or any other external laboratory, by car unless they comply with the RAMRoad02
requirements.
d) Staff cannot move ion detectors around in the local area using a company vehicle
unless that vehicle complies with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
e) Sales staff cannot give out samples of ion detectors to customers while they are on the
company premises when it is obvious that the customer will drive off in a non-compliant
vehicle.
f) Sales staff cannot sell ion detectors to customers that come to the company premises
when it is obvious that the customer will drive off in a non-compliant vehicle.
Requirement
In Schedule 7, the ‘Responsibilities of carriers’, the RAMRoad02 Regulations states that
vehicles must be equipped in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 8.1.4 of ADR (the
European Agreement concerning the international Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road) in
respect of fire fighting equipment.
Implications
1) For vehicle carrying non-excepted packages the vehicle must be equipped as follows:
a. Vehicles of 3.5 tonnes or less must carry one portable dry powder (or equivalent) 2kg
fire extinguisher suitable for fighting a fire in the engine or in the cab, and a second 2
kg extinguisher for other fires.
b. For vehicles greater than 3.5 tonnes but less than 7.5 tonnes, the additional
extinguisher must have a capacity of 6 kg.
c. For vehicles greater than 7.5 tonnes, the second extinguisher must have a capacity of
10 kg.
2) The 1996 Transport Regulations included a clause that allowed the transport of (only)
excepted packages without the needs to carry any fire extinguishers. A UK derogation
was issued for ADR to allow this clause from the 1996 Regulations to be used and
Regulations 5 (4) (d) of the 2002 Transport Regulations (RAMRoad02) allows this
derogation to continue.
Hence, there is no requirement for fire fighting equipment to be carried on vehicles carrying
only excepted packages.
However, it is recommended, for good practice, that a vehicle transporting excepted
packages is equipped with at least one suitable fire extinguisher (although this is not a
mandatory requirement).
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 4 of 4
5 AMENDMENT 2003
The 2003 amendment does not significantly change the 2002 Regulations and the
requirements and recommendations set above continue to apply.
6 HOW TO OBTAIN A COPY OF THE REGULATIONS
Statutory Instruments can be obtained by visiting the HMSO web site at
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/stat.htm and then by selecting the year and number of the
publication wanted.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2006, 03:52:45 PM »
graeme, it must have taken hours to type all that - you really are comitted!

but how can domestic smoke alarms be legally disposed of?

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2006, 09:56:47 AM »
Dave

I was under the same impression as you, in that a household could bin a single smoke alarm.

Do you mean i am committed or should be??

Offline Thebeardedyorkshireman

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2006, 11:40:32 AM »
Graeme.
I have previously seen the BFPSA site with the transport regs. An interesting point is raised under 'f'. If one of my sales guys cannot sell an ION to somebody who will drive off in a non complient motor, what about the check out dolly from B&Q who sells one to mrs mopp to take home in her Nissan micra? Thats before she chucks it in the bin. I cannot find the original legislation about Ions which either exempts or ignores domestics but we all suspect that the legislation predates them. Thus the question is.... What status do domestic ions have and can you sell em, stack em and bin them legally? I think I need committing!!

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2006, 05:10:50 PM »
I would have thought that if it did apply to domestic that something would have been done by now.

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2006, 12:50:30 AM »
Quote from: Graeme Millar
IONISATION CHAMBER SMOKE DETECTORS &
THE RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL (ROAD TRANSPORT)
REGULATIONS 2002
1 BACKGROUND
Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 1093, The Radioactive Material (Road Transport)
Regulations 2002, introduced new regulations pertinent to the transport of
radioactive materials. These regulations, which are commonly known as
RAMRoad02, came into force on 7th June 2002. The 2002 regulations were
amended, with effect from 22nd August 2003, by Statutory Instrument 2003 No.
1867, The Radioactive Material (Road Transport) (Amendment) Regulations 2003.
The introduction of the 2002 Regulations revokes the 1996 Regulations.
International Regulations
Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 1093 implements the international agreement on the
Regulations for the Safe Transport of Radioactive Material (1996 Edition (Revised))
published by the International Atomic Energy Authority (“IAEA1996”). It also covers
the European Agreement concerning the international carriage of dangerous goods
by road (“ADR”) with any amendment up to 1st July 2001 and the Council Directives
96/29/EURATOM and Commission Directive 2001/7/EC.
2 INTRODUCTION
The regulations covered by RAMRoad02 affect many BFPSA members who either
manufacture or use ionization chamber smoke detectors (ICSDs). In order to raise
the awareness of the changes and the implications that the new regulations have on
the way that companies operate their businesses, this document summarises the
key requirements that apply to the Fire Detection and Alarm Industry and what
companies have to do to comply with the requirements for packaging ICSDs and
transporting them.
3 PACKAGING REQUIREMENTS OF RAMROAD02
Requirements
Under regulation 41, ion detectors in packages (i.e. a box or a pallet of boxes if
bound together) whose total Am241 activity is less than 1GBq (or less than 30,000
ion detectors at 33.3kBq each) can be transported as ‘excepted packages’. Under
this regulation, the dose rate on any surface must not exceed 5μSv/h. The following
conditions also apply to excepted packages:
1) Each package must be legibly and durably marked on the outside of the
packaging with an identification of either or both the consignor or consignee
(Schedule 6).
2) The outside of the package must be marked with “UN2911” but does not
require an indication of the presence of radioactive material within (no trefoil
need be present).
3) The package must however include a warning, visible when the package is
opened, to the effect that it contains radioactive material.
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 2 of 4
4) The package must be accompanied by a signed “transport document”, (Schedule 6,
paragraph 17), which:
a) Includes a heading or reference to The Radioactive Material (Road Transport)
Regulations 2002;
b) Lists the consignors name and address, and provides an emergency telephone
number;
c) Lists the consignees name and address;
d) Includes the UN class and UN number and proper shipping name assigned to
the material transported, i.e. “Class 7, UN2911 RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL,
EXCEPTED PACKAGE – INSTRUMENTS”.
5) The transport document must include a declaration (Schedule 6, paragraphs 18 to 21),
which:
a) States “Contents are fully and accurately described by the proper shipping
name and are classified, packed, marked and labelled, and are in all respects in
proper condition for transport by road according to applicable international and
national regulations.”
b) Has provision for a dated, authorised signature (a facsimile signature is
acceptable).
Under regulation 42, empty packages that have previously contained radioactive material may be
transported as an excepted package only if:
1) The re-used package is in a well-maintained condition and is securely closed.
2) Contamination, when averaged over any area of 300 cm2 of any part of the surface,
does not exceed 40 Bq/cm2.
3) Any label(s) that may have been displayed in conformity with the labeling requirements
of the regulations are no longer visible.
Recommendations
1) Make sure that your company’s Dispatch department is equipped with the means of
marking cartons containing ICSDs with the mandatory “UN2911” marking. This must
be legible and durable.
2) The text specified for a “transport document”, together with the declaration and
provision for authorization should be added to the company’s specific shipping
documents.
3) Individuals within the company involved with shipping should be authorized to sign the
declaration printed on the shipping documents.
4) Arrange to have a double-sided sheet printed with “WARNING – RADIOACTIVE
MATERIAL” printed on it. The radioactive trefoil may be included on this sheet. This
should be placed in the bottom and at the top of any carton containing ionisation
detectors.
4 TRANSPORT OF ICSDS IN A VEHICLE
Requirement
In Schedule 1, the RAMRoad02 regulations include nuclide specific quantities below which the
transport of radioactive material is exempt from the regulations. For Am241 the activity limit for
an exempt consignment is 10 kBq, therefore the transporter of a single ICSD has duties under
RAMRoad02.
Implications
This means that anyone carrying a single ICSD in a vehicle is subject to the RAMRoad02
regulations.
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 3 of 4
Requirement
When carrying excepted packages, drivers of vehicles, and any assistant present in the
vehicle, must have received general training to enable them to understand the hazards
presented by the goods they are transporting and the actions to be taken in the event of an
emergency.
The Regulations apply to company vehicles, private vehicles, hired vehicles and public
transport vehicles.
Implications
The implications of this legislative requirement are far reaching for BFPSA members; some of
the limitations it imposes are listed below:
a) Sales Managers cannot have samples of ion detectors in their cars unless they comply
with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
b) Technical sales staff cannot have samples of ion detectors in their cars when going on
a site visit unless they comply with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
c) Engineers dealing with third party approvals cannot take samples of ion detectors to
BRE, or any other external laboratory, by car unless they comply with the RAMRoad02
requirements.
d) Staff cannot move ion detectors around in the local area using a company vehicle
unless that vehicle complies with the RAMRoad02 requirements.
e) Sales staff cannot give out samples of ion detectors to customers while they are on the
company premises when it is obvious that the customer will drive off in a non-compliant
vehicle.
f) Sales staff cannot sell ion detectors to customers that come to the company premises
when it is obvious that the customer will drive off in a non-compliant vehicle.
Requirement
In Schedule 7, the ‘Responsibilities of carriers’, the RAMRoad02 Regulations states that
vehicles must be equipped in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 8.1.4 of ADR (the
European Agreement concerning the international Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road) in
respect of fire fighting equipment.
Implications
1) For vehicle carrying non-excepted packages the vehicle must be equipped as follows:
a. Vehicles of 3.5 tonnes or less must carry one portable dry powder (or equivalent) 2kg
fire extinguisher suitable for fighting a fire in the engine or in the cab, and a second 2
kg extinguisher for other fires.
b. For vehicles greater than 3.5 tonnes but less than 7.5 tonnes, the additional
extinguisher must have a capacity of 6 kg.
c. For vehicles greater than 7.5 tonnes, the second extinguisher must have a capacity of
10 kg.
2) The 1996 Transport Regulations included a clause that allowed the transport of (only)
excepted packages without the needs to carry any fire extinguishers. A UK derogation
was issued for ADR to allow this clause from the 1996 Regulations to be used and
Regulations 5 (4) (d) of the 2002 Transport Regulations (RAMRoad02) allows this
derogation to continue.
Hence, there is no requirement for fire fighting equipment to be carried on vehicles carrying
only excepted packages.
However, it is recommended, for good practice, that a vehicle transporting excepted
packages is equipped with at least one suitable fire extinguisher (although this is not a
mandatory requirement).
BFPSA Fact File No. 8 Page 4 of 4
5 AMENDMENT 2003
The 2003 amendment does not significantly change the 2002 Regulations and the
requirements and recommendations set above continue to apply.
6 HOW TO OBTAIN A COPY OF THE REGULATIONS
Statutory Instruments can be obtained by visiting the HMSO web site at
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/stat.htm and then by selecting the year and number of the
publication wanted.
Could you repeat that???Give me the idiot's guide or the buzzards guide - whichever is easier!Am I not permitted to carry them as spares and,if I am,what should I have in place to accomodate this?

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2006, 07:34:04 PM »
get a sticker for the van and a fire extinguisher.

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2006, 07:35:06 PM »
and a big white suit like the ones off of ET