Author Topic: smoke detectors (Read 25034 times)

splidge · « **on:** January 12, 2006, 12:30:20 PM »

Hi all
Does any one know where I can find information as to the quantity of ionization smoke detectors that can be kept in any one location, ie, storage cuboard, these figures would be for new and or used condition, and what type of storage they are supposed to be kept in?
Any help would be appreacicated.

wee brian · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:33:25 PM »

I remember hearing about a EuropeanDirective that was going to make it difficult to store or transport Ionization detectors in bulk. I don't know what happened about it.

andyt · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:00:28 PM »

ODPM F&RS Circular 46-2004 Home Fire Risk Check Initiative Paragraph 4.1 mentions that the Radioactive Substances Act 1993 sets a storage limit of 500 alarms in any one premises and then said that ODPM were negotiating an exemption with the Environment Agency.
Never did hear whether they got an exemption!

Gel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2006, 08:08:32 AM »

Manufacturers have special licences granted because of volume they hold; regards Fire Brigade Purchases they are aware of difficulties local FRS have when bulk ordering.
Drip feeding is offered by many manufacturers.

Of course its not an issue with Optical Alarms.

Have any Brigades engaged on large scale installation been considering the impact of WEEE regs down the line, when alarms installed for free, need disposing of legally; regime in 10 years time may well be even more harsh than now.??

Who knows Ion alarms may have been banned by then, as they are in most of EC except UK & Eire.

dave bev · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2006, 04:42:03 PM »

gel, i think youll find most brigades have determined that once they have installed them then they become the property of the occupier - most brigades include some sort of reference to that fact as a disclaimer (also with reagrds to maintenance etc)

i dont think anyone would seriously consider 'taking back' smoke alarms. they will hopefully have a regime to fit new ones but i cant see them taking the old ones back!

dave bev

splidge · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2006, 06:39:23 PM »

Well after a bit more research it seems that the limit is 500, and this does not include the ones fitted through out your premises. Although the type of storage they are to be kept in i've yet to find?
As for the dispsal of these items this has to be by speacial means not your common old dustbin, the minimum cost of a private company to dispose of them is over £3.00 per device.

Graeme · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2006, 09:28:17 PM »

return them to the manufacturer

dave bev · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2006, 08:53:40 AM »

splidge - are you referring to disposal by an individual or disposal by a 'business' ?

dave bev

fred · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2006, 03:09:30 PM »

The Radioactive Substances (Smoke Detectors) Exemption Order 1980 (SI 1980 No. 953 as amended) exempts up to 500 detectors from registration under the Radioactive Substances Act 1993, subject to certain conditions being observed. The exemption order was amended in 1991 by SI 1991 No 477.
The Ionising Radiations Regs 1999 may provide a clue on storage facilities.

wee brian · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2006, 10:17:40 AM »

nice one Fed

splidge · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:26:10 AM »

Graeme this is possible but they will charge for this service, Dave Business, licenced to deal with this paticular waste, unfortuanitly no one (business) will do this for free!
Thanks Fred I will check those regs.

Graeme · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2006, 12:43:33 PM »

i have done in past and did not get charged.

Thebeardedyorkshireman · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2006, 05:06:17 PM »

Most manufacturers will dispose of ICCGD's but costs vary from one to another. Also depends on material(usually Americium 241) and strength. If manufacturer has gone bust or will not dispose, you can contact ACB ( active collection bureau) via web site.Costs a lot more than £3.00 per head, prepare for a shock!

dave bev · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2006, 09:30:12 PM »

i didnt realise that anything other than americium 24 was used in domestic ionising detectors/alarms. as for the strength, again i thought that was controlled - when i did my rps course (some time ago with the nrpb) they told us of a woman who swallowed 3 sources in the usa with no effect - she worked in an assembly plant - they passed through her system with no effect apparently - of course you should not try this at home children - or growed ups either!

dave bev

Graeme · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2006, 10:32:25 PM »

i take it that she never had lunch that day and was feeling peckish?

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