fire service intervention in evacuation of a premises

[bevfs]

Hi All,

Fire safety in specialized housing guide
92.4 In sheltered and extra care housing schemes, there "will be reliance ultimately on rescue by the fire and rescue service"in the event that residents cannot escape by themselves.
against
DCLG Residential Care Premises
p30
Emergency evacuation of persons with mobility impairment
The means of escape you provide must be suitable for the evacuation of everyone
likely to be in your premises. This may require additional planning and allocation
of staff roles ? with appropriate training. Provisions for the emergency evacuation
of disabled persons may include:
? stairways;
? evacuation lifts;
? firefighting lifts;
? horizontal evacuation;
? refuges; and
? ramps.
Use of these facilities will need to be linked to effective management arrangements
as part of your emergency plan. The plan "should not rely on fire and rescue service"
involvement for it to be effective.

What are the thoughts on the differing guidance given on reliance of fire service for evacuation of the premises?

[AnthonyB]

The DCLG guides are being rewritten by the same people that wrote the specialised housing guidance (the first three are out) so I'd wait and see what the new ones say.

Resi Care and Specialised Housing are different types of premises with differing strategies too.

[Dinnertime Dave]

I am a little confused as to your point. You are comparing two different types of premises.

[wee brian]

The principle is simple enough

Resi care - operator acts loco parentis (I may have spelt this wrong) - eg the care home operator is directly responsible for the residents like parents are for their kids.
A such the staff should have a plan to evacuate the residents as appropriate - fire service rescue is the back up when that doesn't work

Specialised housing - people live under their own steam (kind of) and nobody is responsible for looking after them 24/7.
If they cant evacuate themselves, then they need to be rescued.

It gets a bit muddy around the edges cos people play silly beggars

[colin todd]

Brian, I know your school was good because it was approved, but did they really teach you latin? Your speliing is as perfect as all your previous work for your previous employer if I may be so bold as to say so.

[colin todd]

Suppers, the voice of wisdom as always. You still around then?

[Dinnertime Dave]

Suppers, the voice of wisdom as always. You still around then?

Still a regular visitor.

[Messy]

You still around then?

I thought the same about you Colin when I saw your post

I would have thought you would have been elevated to the House of Lords by now, or did Boris overlook you too?   

[colin todd]

Davey, I thought you were retiring, or that my instructions to Oddjob had been fulfilled?

[Messy]

COLIN you old dinosaur!!! . 'Firemen'?  I am disappointed in you with your gender specific language - but I am not surprised!

The LFB will employ anyone with a pulse now and not as fussy as they were in my day.  They are just a bit fussy about which contractors they retain

I identify as largely retired - but keep my hand in from time to time as I am frightened about getting old, sitting around all day trying to keep my paranoia under control. However, I did smile when I saw your daft photo - but I am not going to admit that to you 

Sadly Oddjob died in 1982, but if he had made it to my place he may have struggled with the stairs at 102 years old as I am decorating my downstairs loo

[colin todd]

Davey, I think you miss the point. I am sure that you and your only cronies you worked with after leaving the 3rd best FRS in the whole of London were all males of the species, because there were no female fire safety officers who had done their 30 years soft labour. So, as the correct terminology for an old fashioned lift designed for FRS use is a firemen's, lift, so you and your old cronies were firemen, having joined as such. Anyhow, it is a biological fact that most females could not reach the 130 dB(A) response to any challenge to their fire safety demands, as adopted by your generation of I/Os.

When you finish Mrs Messey's list of DIY, why dont you think about working for me part time.