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Offline Ian Currie

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2004, 01:48:46 PM »
Well said Mr. B. The fine sounds great, how did you enforce it though? Surely the parents could just have given you the old one fingered salute and walked away?
Hmmm, wonder if I could fine teachers if they don't evacuate............?

Colin, forty (odd) years on and my palms still tingle when I walk into a school, I was not a star pupil!

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2004, 03:55:53 PM »
Thanks for that Ian, But it is not Mr. B. but Ms. B., yes a mere woman sorting out the problems in my authority. The backing of your fire authority always helps, and unfortunately it's a matter of constant badgering to all concerned. Don't forget it's an offence to tamper with any safety equipment which includes fire equipment. I don't think fining teachers would go down too well, they all need to be trained in fire awareness, in my training I always give them facts and figures with regards to educational establishments , talk about the cost and they soon sit up and notice.

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2004, 03:55:03 AM »
Well, at least you still remember your Latin roots, Ian. Ms B, a mere woman who can sort out the problems of a fire authority will be a chief officer before she is 30 and probably significantly better looking than any of the present cohort of CFOs.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2004, 09:06:14 AM »
Ian

"I also doubt whether a brigade nowadays would be prepared to accept a delay without a VERY strong argument in its favour backed up by a thorough risk assessment. Even then, the arrangements are only as good as the current management"

I know that I am going 'off topic' but with the current modernisation of the Fire Services I should think that delayed calls to fire alarms will become VERY commonplace. Statistics, (which I know is a posh term for lying, whoops, dropped a Gilligan there), indicate 95% plus of alarms turn out to be false and in our evidence-driven society will become easy meat for cuts. Incidentally, in one large metropolitan fire service  one in ten 'false alarms' were actually returned as something else. That something else may have been over-heated light fittings or similar but I would suggest that such a figure justifies calling the fire service on every occasion the alarm goes off. (otherwise, why turn out to bin or car fires, I expect someone can turn up statistics that show that they hardly ever spread to other property).
I know I am at one with Colin, (hmmm), in that the primary effort should go into stopping the bloody alarm going off in the first place, with good design, management, etc.
Sorry here endeth the rant.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2004, 06:39:45 PM »
At one??????? I know Manchester people are very friendly, but madam the mind boggles.
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2004, 12:39:01 PM »
Having just returned I re-open this thread only to extend my most sincere apologies to Ms B.  Life is a long lesson in humility and it looks like I need to repeat a class.  My opinion remains unaltered though my respect expands; more power to your elbow Ma'am!

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I'm still curious as to how they made the fine stick though.  :)

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2004, 01:36:28 PM »
It was agreed to introduce the "fine" after lots of consultation with all concerned parties. It was then introduced into the schools rules and regs, all parents govenors staff etc were notified. The seriousness and possible consequences of malicious alarm setting was flagged up not only with training for the staff but pupils as well. These little B's are the minority and peer pressure can work. Good luck