New Leader - Same Old Story

[D.Chadbon]

So much for change at the top!

I hear from locals that FBU Gen Sec Mat Wrack, AGS Andy Dark and National officer Paul Woolstenhome have re-charged their batteries with an all expenses paid (thro our union subs) r&r trip to Northern Ireland. Land of their supporters!!!

No news yet if it was chateau spleen and an expensive curry.

But word has it that they all got plastered with the help of the EC member (another member of the gang and hopeful candidate for the Preidents job) Perhaps thats why he's keeping Mat sweet.

And the pensions crisis is a stitch up!! The two leaders of the FBU - Matt and Jim Fitzpatrick had ring fencing sown up weeks ago!!

Derek.

[scott]

Why do the RFU only ever bitch about the FBU and wholetime? Surley you would be better off pushing the retained agenda rather than looking to knock everyone else?

I hear from locals that FBU Gen Sec Mat Wrack, AGS Andy Dark and National officer Paul Woolstenhome have re-charged their batteries with an all expenses paid

(thro our union subs)

r&r trip to Northern Ireland. Land of their supporters!!!
Derek.

Surely the National General Secratary of the RFU is not a paid up member of the FBU!

[dave bev]

scott, much as i dont particularly believe or trust in derek chadbons politics i cant believe that he (the real derek chadbon of the rfu) would make such a post. i also think he is too intelligent to have done so.

as for matt/andy/paul visiting parts of the UK where our members are - thats their job, particularly in the position we find ourselves in with regards to pensions. if they werent prepared to speak to members then they would be criticised for not doing so. if the gen sec visited anywhere i would also expect the ec member to be present  - so i am at a loss yet as to why the poster seems so disgruntled? why, is it because they had a drink - do they not have personal lives where they can drink - do they not have any 'off duty' time? i was in head office on tuesday night until 8pm - i can assure you that they are all putting in incredible amounts of time - so dont tell me they dont get to take time out every now and then!


as for ring fencing and stitching up - you really do need to think your politics through. do you honestly think the minister would wish to present the arch enemy of the odpm with something they didnt have to fight for. if ring fencing is achieved (and i have a personal view that its not in the best interest of members of the firefighters pension scheme both present and future) it will be because of the support given by members of the fbu, poilticians who have 'come out' in support (strangely northern ireland fall into that group - wonder how that was achieved then?) and the many senior fire officers who also happen to believe and have said so, that firefighters are being treated unfairly.

so mr chadbon have some honesty, post your real name and your real 'joining date'- dont use the name of others. that can only be seen as being designed to cause malice and offense.

dave bev

so you know who i am!

[D.Chadbon]

Oh indeed we do know who you are dave bev and where you stand.

And i love the personal life bit - friend of mine used to have one but he got crucified for it.

Thats one out in the open - anybody else? IronmanMike perhaps

One more thing - lets hope you haven't agreed ring fencing - its against your unions policy

Just like to add - why is it offensive to highlight what's going on. It happened all the time during the 30k campaign. Somebody was even tipping off the press about internal FBU issues. Surely its good for accountability?

[dave bev]

ive never hidden where i stand on issues - have i always been right - sometimes!! LOL

the web you spin doth get larger eh? as for ironman mike - im sure whoever that is feels as justified as you do in hiding their true identity

you hope that 'I' havent agreed ring fencing? you give me far too much credit for actually making or being highly infuential in the making of those sorts of decisions, as i stated i am against ring fencing but will follow the democratically agreed position. my position may seem strange to some - particularly as they know how the proposals would affect me individually, but then again as you know where i stand you will understand that.

perhaps youre only on here because you cant access 30k website and stir up trouble there?

thats all from me on this thread, though i recognise that gives you the last word -


' frankly my derek, i dont give a damn!'

go and play somewhere else

[D.Chadbon]

Well dave we can always cross to 30k website if you like

Only problem is I keep getting censored on there.

Seems that site won't hear a bad word said against this Gen Sec, even if the posts are trying to seek the open accountability that he got in to office on.

I'm wondering if there is a connection with the 30k website and our current top officials. Because they never displayed the same censorship against those that posted Gilchrist's dad's address on the site, or the vicious attacks on him and the president and come to think of it anybody who had a different view to them.

And will they be sending the barrack room bully boys to your conference this year to shout down any opposition?

You should follow our lead - use the power of arguement not the arguement of power!!

[D.Chadbon]

Anybody at recall conference could have mistakenly thought they'd been caught in a time warp and gone back a few years.

It was like listening to a ginger version of old Gilchrist!!!!

[messy]

Anybody at recall conference could have mistakenly thought they'd been caught in a time warp and gone back a few years.

It was like listening to a ginger version of old Gilchrist!!!!

That's what I like to hear.
An intelligent analysis of the facts of the matter being turned into a lucid, considered view!!

Dave B

With regards to the 11th hour offer of ringfencing. Do you consider this proposal as:

A true attempt a compromise.
Or perhaps a cynical attempt by ODPM to split the membership if/when any ballot occurs.

[dave bev]

messy - i will respond to you on this post (see my previous post in relation to another poster)

i am hopeful it is a true attempt at a compromise. i would suggest though that it wasnt an 11th hour offer - work had been continually going on behind the scenes and i would like to think that those involved in negotiations on both sides had a genuine intent on resolving issues. of course i wasnt at liberty to make behind the scenes 'developments' a matter of public record, but im sure it came as no surprise and its what would have been expected - even if it meant travelling throughout the UK to get positions on which to base changes to proposals.

there is still a lot of detail to be 'resolved' - dont be surprised if a list of FAQ's appear over the next week or so - the danger of course is that they dont answer the specifics for an individual but we are looking at trying to produce something similar to the pension guide/calculator on the fbu web site - but until the detail has been 'sorted' it is a bit pointless - so dont hold us to that - any volunteers???

dont forget theough the firefighters (control) pension issues need to be resolved as does a pension scheme for those on the retained duty system. so the issue isnt as 'sorted' as some would have you believe.

the odpm are still capable of mischievious behaviour though - highlighted perhaps by their latest 'circulars' - where they try to portray previous positions they reached/came to as only now being introduced to compensate for movement in other areas ........ tut tut tut!!! cheeky people!!!

there are also other 'organisations' now trying to claim credit for the 'movement' - how droll, in fact how very droll!!

dave bev