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Offline Rocha

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No Fire alarm during installation of a new system
« on: March 13, 2006, 04:13:46 PM »
I am involved with a building that is due to undergo the removal of the old fire alarm and detection system and the fit out of a new system resulting in the absence of any automatic detection and means of raising the alarm in the  event of a fire for two-three days.  The works are scheduled for four days, two days being over the weekend whilst the building is unoccupied.  However during the following two days occupants will be present within the building.

What control measures do I need in place (e.g whistles for fire marshalls etc) during the time that there is no fire alarm and detection system in working order.

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2006, 09:56:22 PM »
Prohibit all non essential maintenance works, prohibit any hot work (except that essential for the fire alarm installation), where possible postpone uneccessary meetings or training especially those where vistors would be on site.
Have alternative means of cascading alarms - horns/whistles have local effect, but in larger premises rented walkie talkies or a pager system may be needed to ensure the alarm can be spread.

Extra staffing/security for fire patrols, and all wardens to complete and return an end of day FP list to log closing of doors & windows, bin emptying, appliance shutdown and no known signs of smoke.

A risk reduction list from one building where the alarm failed included-

No hot works of any type to be carried out
Avoid/postpone works that involve combustibles either directly (e.g. paint/solvent/thinners) or indirectly (sawdust through joinery works)
No portable heaters, be they radiant, convection or naked flame to be used
No introduction or use of substances that are highly or extremely flammable
Extra trips to be made to the main bins to avoid build up of combustible waste inside the building.
No use of cookers, especially hobs with pans
Avoid activities that involve bringing large numbers of people unfamiliar with the building or In vulnerable groups (very old, very young, disabled) inside the premises, or nominate additional staff as wardens/escorts
Postpone all works in isolated areas such as plant rooms or vacant areas except those in themselves essential for safety purposes and where essential ensure a robust communications system is in place.
Last person to leave demises to ensure all items are switched off where possible, all doors are shut and there are no signs of fire – preferably to be documented and also at least 15 minutes after normal work has ceased
Increased security vigilance to reduce likelihood of arson
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2006, 11:09:27 PM »
Nice one Anthony
Just to be clear Rocha can we assume the building is not a care/ treatment  environment or used for sleeping accommodation?

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 02:40:51 PM »
Why can't the old system be left in place whilst the new is being installed, then remove the old once the new is commissioned and active?

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 05:40:07 PM »
The new one may be using the existing wiring.

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 07:35:20 PM »
Is the wiring up to the task and compliant with the latest standards? I do not want to appear negative here, but if the old system is being replaced with new devices, etc. is the cable in a good enough condition so as not to provide spurious alarms in the future? Have radio controlled fire detection systems been considered? these would negate the need for the old system being switched off, need a very limited amount of hard wiring and generally are cost effective due to the speed of installation.

I am always a little cautious when it comes to using existing wiring from old systems as I have often seen the consequences i. e bad earth connections, plaster and lime decay, insulation failure due to age, etc., etc.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 11:33:58 AM »
Thanks Anthony Buck for your time and recomendations on this issue.

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 05:22:07 PM »
Ashley

no one said it was,i just mentioned it as a possibilty.

The old system may be just a few years old and being upgraded.It may have originally been wired in FP200-who knows,i'm guessing

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 07:13:01 PM »
Quote from: Graeme Millar
Ashley

no one said it was,i just mentioned it as a possibilty.

The old system may be just a few years old and being upgraded.It may have originally been wired in FP200-who knows,i'm guessing
Or everlasting Pyro!

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2006, 09:32:54 PM »
tsk!
M.I.C.C please if you don't mind Buzzy.Pyro is a brand name :D