Sheltered Housing Schemes

[Midland Retty]

To compound this even further if you look at the RRO guides here is what they say:-

The Sleeping Accomodation Guide states that it covers "the common areas of sheltered accomodation where care is not provided" (p4 Introduction)

The Residential Care Guide States : The guide is not intended for use in Sheltered Accomodation where no care is provided (p4 Introduction)

Both infer that in sheltered accomodation where care is provided then higher standards are required.

Again everyones thoughts would be most welcome.

[Clevelandfire]

Yup ADB 2007 treats Sheltered accom like flats. OK it's 30 mins for low rise (5m tall).

That's the same as flats.  30 mins in anything taller would be crazy for flats let alone sheltered accom.

I'm not being sarcastic either (I know that makes a change) we seem to be talking at cross purposes and this is important. That's why this forum is so useful.

I do get things right occassionally

To compound this even further if you look at the RRO guides here is what they say:-

The Sleeping Accomodation Guide states that it covers "the common areas of sheltered accomodation where care is not provided" (p4 Introduction)

The Residential Care Guide States : The guide is not intended for use in Sheltered Accomodation where no care is provided (p4 Introduction)

Both infer that in sheltered accomodation where care is provided then higher standards are required.

Again everyones thoughts would be most welcome

My thoughts are simple. It is residential care on the cheap.

I am of course talking about care organisations that pose as sheltered schemes, and whom provide direct care staff.The ones that don't IMHO still need to consider their residents and how they can assist them during a fire especially if the flats are rented and not occupier owned. There is absolutely no way in the world thirty minutes fire resistance offers enough protection for a stayput policy for bed bound residents, no way whatsoever. Retty / Val I notice those people who claimed you were a commie and trying to regulate the world have all of a sudden gone very quiet. That in itself speaks volumes.

Sheletred should mean sheltered not very sheltered not very very sheltered. Any existing residents who have detiorated presents a minefield legally as afterall it is their home, and I would never wish to take anyone out of their own home.But that isnt an excuse to leave people in danger and i think people need to get real on this. These arent single domestic dwellings and therefore for the protection of bed bound residents from other the common areas and party walls I think should all be 60 minutes FR because other residents may pose a risk to them.

[val]

Cleavelandfire

I don't mind being called a commie. Really!

Maslow and self actualisation spring to mind. (Did I spell that right?)

[jokar]

Val, I feel pedantic this morning, Mazlow has a Z in his name.

[nearlythere]

Val, I feel pedantic this morning, Mazlow has a Z in his name.

No F in way.

[wee brian]

Cleveland may have put his finger on this when he says that they are not domestic premises.

I think most of them probably are domestic, but at some point (when they get very sheltered??) they may not be. When this line is crossed, then the Order comes down on them like a tonne of bricks.  One for the lawyers I think.

[William 29]

Cleveland may have put his finger on this when he says that they are not domestic premises.

I think most of them probably are domestic, but at some point (when they get very sheltered??) they may not be. When this line is crossed, then the Order comes down on them like a tonne of bricks.  One for the lawyers I think.

Also what about when you have a sheltered housing sheme where some of the occupants own the flats and others do not.

[wee brian]

The plot thickens. In a block of flats the landlord isnt expected to assist in the evacuation of the residents regardles of whether they rent or own their flats.

Sheltered accom is (or at least its supposed to be) a block of flats with some added facilities and services. So the same rule would apply.

But there's an increasingly grey area where these places are stepping into a sort of cut-price res-care.

[Midland Retty]

Big thanks to everyone who contributed.

From what I've read I think we all agree this is a really grey area

Im going to write to CSCI and get their stance on this subject.

Will keep you posted.

If anyone in the meantime hears of any test cases going through let me know (shouldnt think it will be too long until Lancashire F&R Service deal with one of these)

[val]

MR

Tyne and Wear FRS are on to this with the CQC (my turn to be pedantic). You may want to liaise with their fire safety department.

[Midland Retty]

Excellent cheers for that Val

[Username]

MR, just wondering, did you ever get a response from CSCI?

[Midland Retty]

Hi Username

No not as yet, that said it will probably take a while, there are a lot of grey areas to debate and pour over, then they will probably need to consult their legal eagles for final approval

[Geoff]

Just to throw another semantic spanner in the works herem you will find now that most accommodation that was considered 'sheltered' is now being redesignated as 'assisted living'!