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Offline harley

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« on: October 19, 2007, 10:51:28 AM »
I am a Fire Safety Advisor with an NHS Trust.
After two appeals against my original grading under A4C of 6(4) I was regraded to 6(6).
I was notified by letter of this grading and the letter was accompanied by a new contract.
Both clearly state that the new grading was backdated to my starting date with the Trust and that payment arrears would follow later.
The pay arrears were considerably less than I expected and when I challenged this I was informed that both my new contract and the covering letter contained typographical errors and I should have been graded at 6(5) from my start date which rose to 6(6) after my first year in post.
I would welcome opinions as to whether an employer can legally cite 'typographical errors' some 8 months after a contract has been accepted and signed.
Many thanks in advance.

Offline The Lawman

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 01:36:38 PM »
8 months after acceptance and signing? Not in Scotland. The contract terms are agreed and there has been 8 months of acquiescence.

Offline harley

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 11:26:14 AM »
Quick update.
The Trust I work for has advertised for a H&S Manager at 8A, yet refuses to see its Fire Safety Advisor at any higher than 6(5).
There are very few differences in the job description and responsibilities.
I am of the opinion that the NHS gets away with paying its Fire Safety Advisors at below the going rate as most of us are retired LA fire officers on a pension.
Could I ask what grade other Fire Safety Advisors are working at?
Many thanks again.

Offline CJ

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 03:08:11 PM »
i am a band 6 starting at the bottom
my old boss at another nhs is on a band 7
i have seen band 5 advertised.

Offline chris_p

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Re: Agenda for Change
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 02:10:26 PM »
I just started Band 5 point 9

Offline FireDave

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Re: Agenda for Change
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 02:49:36 AM »
When AforC first came out most Fire Advisors were allocated a Band 5, then, following mass appeals, most were upgraded to a Band 6.  A lot of Fire Safety Managers, the old Nominated Officer (Fire), are usually a Band 7 or even 8A, even though 95% of the Fire Safety Managers role is covered by the Fire Advisor.

As an example my Trust, when doing the job description exercise quoted the Fire Safety Manager job specification as being the closest with the caviate "Do Not Use"

Now things have settled down I notice most jobs are advertised as a band 6, often with a security aspect to the job description

Offline Mushy

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Re: Agenda for Change
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 07:04:27 PM »
I just started Band 5 point 9

pardon my ignorance on this subject because I'm a newcomer to this job....just waiting to get a start date... but doesn't Band 5 start at Point 17 as in this

Band 5
Point 17    £20,225
Point 18    £20,818
Point 19    £21,373
Point 20    £22,085
Point 21    £22,797
Point 22    £23,450
Point 23    £24,103
Point 24    £25,054
Point 25    £26,123

I'm on Band 5...bottom point 17...I think!


Offline Mushy

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Re: Agenda for Change
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 04:17:07 PM »
Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can find evidence of the original banding for advisors being 5 and then upgraded to 6?...I am on band 5...originally given increment 1...now I am on band 5 increment 3 after a lot of persuasion!...incidently I am on my own in the fire safety field in a largish hospital

would anyone be able to advise on the wording for any appeal...ie a template

Thanks

ps...just found this where it grades a FSA as Band 5

 http://www.nhsemployers.org/PayAndContracts/AgendaForChange/NationalJobProfiles/Documents/Estates_and_Maintenance.pdf

 Job Title Fire Safety Officer

 
Job Statement: 1. Provides advice on fire safety issues.

2. Liaises with local government, Fire Brigade, Health and Safety Executive on fire

precautions.

3. Ensures that the Fire Brigade is informed of any work that may affect the fire safety of

any building.

4. Makes application for Fire Certificates and ensures compliance with fire safety notices

Factor Relevant Job Information JE Level

1. Communication &

Relationship skills

Provide & receive complex information, negotiating skills

Exchanges specialist information with specialists, non-specialists; negotiates

with contractors, suppliers, statutory agencies, utility companies

4(a)

2. Knowledge, Training

& Experience

Expertise within a specialism, underpinned by theoretical knowledge.

Knowledge of fire safety policies, procedures and practices; acquired through

specialist training in fire safety and management plus significant experience in

the fire safety industry to degree equivalent level

5

3. Analytical &

Judgement skills

Complex facts or situations, requiring analysis, interpretation and

comparison of a range of options

Applies correct fire strategy solution to fire design plans for new and old

buildings, keeps all areas up to current standards.

4

4. Planning &

Organisational skills

Plan, organise complex activities, requiring formulation, adjustment

Plans risk assessments, site meetings, co-ordinates meetings with Fire

Brigade and contractors, training programmes

3

5. Physical Skills Physical skills obtained through practice

Driving, standard keyboard skills, use of fire equipment

2

6. Responsibility for

Patient/client care

Assist patients/clients during incidental contacts

Incidental contact with patients; provides fire safety training to patients/clients

1-2

7. Responsibility for

Policy/Service

development

Implement policies, propose changes, impact beyond own area

Develops and implements fire safety policies

3

8. Responsibility for

Financial and Physical

resources

Authorised signatory; hold delegated budget

Purchases; holds budget for fire safety, equipment, signage

3(d)

9. Responsibility for

Human Resources

Provide specialist training

Delivers fire safety training

3(c)

10. Responsibility for

Information Resources

Record personally generated information

Update fire safety records

1

11. Responsibility for

research & development

Occasionally/ regularly undertake R&D activity.

Complex risk assessments and audits

1-2(a)

12. Freedom to act Clearly defined/ broad occupational policies

Works within fire safety policies, procedures, work is managed rather than

supervised/ lead specialist in fire safety

3-4

13. Physical effort Light physical effort for several long periods per shift

Walking for long periods when undertaking risk assessments

2(c)

14. Mental effort Frequent requirement for concentration, work pattern unpredictable

Concentration for writing reports, interrupted when reacting to an emergency

3(a)

15. Emotional effort Exposure to distressing circumstances is rare/occasional

Contact with patients on wards, deals with complaints

1-2(a)

16. Working conditions Occasional unpleasant conditions

Dust, heat from plant rooms

2(a)

JE Score/Band JE Score 364-393 Band 5

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Offline Mushy

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Re: Agenda for Change
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 02:30:56 PM »
I just started Band 5 point 9

can I ask if you worked in the NHS before? I was told that you are only allow to start one below the second gateway if you have no NHS experience...which is increment 6 of the banding