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Offline lyledunn

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2010, 11:48:11 AM »
I am a fairly long-in-the-tooth electrical inspecting engineer. My remit often extends to to deliberations on fire alarm and emergency lighting. I regularly find serious defects in emergency lighting systems, many relating to recommended illuminance levels. Where possible, I endeavour to measure light levels as relying on spacing ratios and photometric data on existing systems is often a difficult chore, especially where documentation is not available. It is perhaps for this reason that my Reports are often at odds with Reports issued by contractors, many of whom seem content that an emergency luminaire is physically present but ignore the first principles enshrined in the inverse square law and cosine rule which result in rapid diminution of illuminance levels as one moves further away from the light source. It is quite remarkable to witness the starkness of this in the field and a valuable lesson for those who often just cast their eye over an emergency lighting system. Relying on illuminated exit signs to provide required illuminance levels is dubious unless there is clear, ratified design data.
I do not design systems but I know some who do. They normally ignore the light output of exit boxes in their calculations which is why you may often find a non-maintained unit fairly close to an illuminated exit sign in many installations.
By the way, if the exit sign is over a final exit, stick your head outside (open the door first) to see if there is any evidence of emergency luminaires positioned to facilitate dispersal. The absence of these is a pet hate of mine and a very common defect!
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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2010, 01:55:13 PM »
By the way, if the exit sign is over a final exit, stick your head outside (open the door first) to see if there is any evidence of emergency luminaires positioned to facilitate dispersal. Regards,
Very common is right Lyle as is the failure to interface EL circuits with the general lighting circuits. I find many installers wire all EL circuits back to one dedicated fuse and system certified to the BS. They will operate in event on mains failure but that's it.
Handy for servicing though. Is that maybe why they do it?

During a FRA survey I had exchange of words with an installer when I checked EL in a 3 storey day nursery. EL did not operate when corridor & stairway general lighting RCCB serving this area knocked off. Installer said he had never heard of this requirement before and had installed hundreds of systems without question.
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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 11:15:51 PM »
Strange is it not that the electrical contracting industry require operatives to have a reasonable working knowledge of BS7671 2008 but utterly ignore the Standards associated with emergency lighting and fire alarms!
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Lyle Dunn

Offline Fishy

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2010, 11:48:01 AM »
If the fitting is being used as a sign, then it has to face the punters who are escaping.  It’s typically going to be wall-mounted.  An emergency light that directs most of its light in the face of those punters does little except dazzle them, so the reduction in intensity provided by the sign is probably a good thing!

My recollection is that you can include these in your lighting design as providing illumination to the doorway, provided that you have illuminance data for them when used on a bulkhead (i.e. how much light they throw out sideways).  Hard to come by units with this data, so normally safest to assume they don’t contribute & design accordingly, unless you’ve got measured lux data that you can refer to.

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2011, 05:51:05 PM »
Nearly crashed the other morning on my way back to my digs in a very, very remote Scottish spot.
As I dropped down the Clarkson rated road, screaming around a tight bend, there in front of me were wee small white dots forming arrow shapes on a deep black background. Closer and closer it approached, as I calculated the time needed to hit the brakes, drop a few gears and turn the wheel without braking my wrists so as to to be able to turn around and raise the rate of knots neaded to hightail it back over the hills to escape the approaching alian monster beheld before me.
NO !! Wait !!
All is not lost ! That's no alian craft up ahead you fool !! Just a mind boggling invention to drop a subtle hint that this little road is changing direction. Phew !!
Thanks to the highway bods my life is safe.
Cameron my be a bit pissed off to see such a waste of monies (he's "on your side" you know..) and some clever drivers may say they are a patronising waste of time but hey, the're just another clever desk jockeys idea on how to save our skins, buy a few LED's and watch the 'lecky meter tick by.......Public servants my arse.
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