Fire Triangle ?

[kurnal]

Benz,

you need to get out more.

Nice avatar wiz. Surprised to see you hat droops down at the end though. Thought you could fix that with a spell. Matron said we had something in common but wouldn't specify what it was.
Leave him where he is. At least we can keep an eye on him.

[Benzerari]

Fire = f (H, O, C) , means fire is function of heat, oxygen and combustible material

Where: H = Heat, O = Oxygen, C = Combustible material.

Heat: is quantified in degree centigrade or alternatively
Oxygen: is quantified with percentage of availability in the surrounding environment
Combustible material: is the remaining struggling point, therefore:

The question is: can combustibility be quantified and how? Any idea?

But what about pyrotechnics?
Benz it just aint that simple. Get yourseld a basic text book on chemistry and combustion. The IFE do one with exactly that name.

Ehmm good idea

[Benzerari]

Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

What it says?

[Benzerari]

Benz,

you need to get out more.

Leave him where he is. At least we can keep an eye on him.

Big brother 

[Benzerari]

Benz

any combustible material has a calorific value per unit of weight, fire loadings etc
Any more and you get to calculations algebra etc, far too boring on a sunday



davo

Calorific unit, I think is to measure the heat of combustion delivered after combustion, it's an enery per volum unit 'J/m³', any other units to measure the combustibility of material relared more to its chemical characteristics

[GregC]

God in Heaven!!!!

My tea just came out my nose I laughed so much, Thanks Colin just what I needed on a dark miserable Monday morning.

[AnthonyB]

Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

What it says?

It says you need more than just fuel, heat & oxygen for there to be a fire - you start getting into the realms of free radicals (not Trotskyite revolutionaries btw... )

The halons and most dry powders extinguish by interfering with the chemical chain reaction of combustion & not the triangle - this is why potassium based powders are more effective than sodium based powders as potassium has a greater affnity for free radicals

I suggest you read Book 1 of the Manual of Firemanship or the equivalent section of it's replacement, the Fire Service Manual, for a good grounding in the basic physics & chemistry of combustion.

[Benzerari]

Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

What it says?

It says you need more than just fuel, heat & oxygen for there to be a fire - you start getting into the realms of free radicals (not Trotskyite revolutionaries btw... )

The halons and most dry powders extinguish by interfering with the chemical chain reaction of combustion & not the triangle - this is why potassium based powders are more effective than sodium based powders as potassium has a greater affnity for free radicals

I suggest you read Book 1 of the Manual of Firemanship or the equivalent section of it's replacement, the Fire Service Manual, for a good grounding in the basic physics & chemistry of combustion.

I will 

[colin todd]

Benzo, when you are finished volume 1, read all the other volumes as well, then read War and Peace, and then the collected works of Shakespeare and the complete works of Robert Burns (as fire burns too). Let us know when you have finished the lot.
GregC, SHhhhhhhhhhhhhh  dont tell Benzo about the tea. I can see a post from Benzo coming up discussing the hydraulics of what happened to your tea and the coeficient of friction of your nasal passages.

[Benzerari]

Benzo, when you are finished volume 1, read all the other volumes as well, then read War and Peace, and then the collected works of Shakespeare and the complete works of Robert Burns (as fire burns too). Let us know when you have finished the lot.
GregC, SHhhhhhhhhhhhhh  dont tell Benzo about the tea. I can see a post from Benzo coming up discussing the hydraulics of what happened to your tea and the coeficient of friction of your nasal passages.

I will but I will not tell any thing to GregC. 

[Chris Houston]

It's found to be that the combination of; Heat, Oxygen and Fuel (combustible material) make fire..., but how much of each? In terms of percentage!

When can I buy this book you are launching?

[Benzerari]

It's found to be that the combination of; Heat, Oxygen and Fuel (combustible material) make fire..., but how much of each? In terms of percentage!

When can I buy this book you are launching?

When it's ready 

[Benzerari]

Benzo, when you are finished volume 1, read all the other volumes as well, then read War and Peace, and then the collected works of Shakespeare and the complete works of Robert Burns (as fire burns too). Let us know when you have finished the lot.
GregC, SHhhhhhhhhhhhhh  dont tell Benzo about the tea. I can see a post from Benzo coming up discussing the hydraulics of what happened to your tea and the coeficient of friction of your nasal passages.

It's rather nasal coefficient of fluidity, when breathing through nose, rather through mouth

[Benzerari]

Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

Still looks like a ‘triangle’ though, why then it doesn’t look like a ‘quadrangle’ layout, also where is the parameter of 'Time'?

At time '0' no thing will happen yet, but at certain time 'T' it initiates the fire combustion...!

Time ‘T’ depends on the combustible material, the quantity of oxygen available, the materials physical arrangement, the power and direction of wind or (air flow) in the surrounding area… etc

What do you think about?

[nearlythere]

Hasn’t it move up one additional plane its now The Fire Tetrahedron?

Still looks like a ‘triangle’ though, why then it doesn’t look like a ‘quadrangle’ layout, also where is the parameter of 'Time'?

At time '0' no thing will happen yet, but at certain time 'T' it initiates the fire combustion...!

Time ‘T’ depends on the combustible material, the quantity of oxygen available, the materials physical arrangement, the power and direction of wind or (air flow) in the surrounding area… etc

What do you think about?

Benzo
It is actually the square of fire. Fuel, oxygen, heat and senior fire officer. Remove any one away and the fire will go out.