Sir Ken Knight considers that heat detectors in bedroom of a hotel meet the FSO

[colin todd]

Honest Civil Servant (is there such a thing?), I see your point, and you are right, we all owe Demon our congratulations for his whistle blowing. We had no idea that this was going on until he made it public. Gosh how embarrassing for the CLG!!!  Even so, it would be wrong to make the generalization you expound. Determinations under the Building Regulations have always, in my opinion, been totally fair.  We have also seen a Determination from (Sir) Brian Fraser in Scotland, which, whether you agree with it or not, was very clearly straight down the middle in its endeavours to be fair.

Civvy, I will be immune from the effects of the Daily Star, since, remember, Sir Ken Knight, was ad idem with my views, and given the high regard in which we all (certianly I) hold someone of his stature, a waif or stray such as myself can only have his heart warmed to be judged in the right.

Clevey, You say we know why I chose to air the subject. Could you please enlighten us all, as even I don't know. I just happened to be bored one evening as there was not much on TV, and thought I would liven Firenet up a little bit with healthy debate. What other motive could I possibly have?

[kurnal]

Colin I for one am pleased this topic was raised for debate in this open, fair and and public arena. Were it not for this forum we would never have an opportunity to air our views on this.

In return I am happy to offer you a gesture of goodwill. If you would like to send me a complimentary signed copy of your wee book I would be happy to read it free of charge, and should I agree with the content will enhance its value by signing my name in the front, alongside yours.

[colin todd]

Kurnal, thank you for your kind offer. However, given the length of your name, particularly now you are changing it to MACKurnatowski, and the prominence that my name would need to be given alongside yours, there would not be room on thepage, as the book is A5 size.

[William 29]

Wullie, your money is safe. Your Scots education has stood you in good stead in the gambling field. Do you happen to know the numbers for tomorrow night's lottery, so I can retire from this unprofessionally practised profession? If so, according to statistics THEY would rather you did not know, you have more chance of hastening my departure thereby than anyone dying from fire in the bedroom of fire origin anywhere  in the UK in the next 12 months.

For the record its William "Wullie" seems to make reference to sheep implying Welsh origin!!?

[colin todd]

Per Wikipedia

Oor Wullie is a Scottish comic strip published in the D.C. Thomson newspaper, The Sunday Post. It features a boy named William, known as Wullie (Oor Wullie is Our Willie in Scots). His trademarks are spiky hair, dungarees and an upturned bucket, which he often uses as a seat.

Only people from the posh parts of Edinburgh are called William.

[Nearlybaldandgrey]

Mr Todd, why would I want a signed copy of your book? the one I have stored in the loft is perfectly adequate, but thanks for the offer.

I cannot help but wonder what words you would be using to describe Sir Ken had he decided that the Fire Authority was right (not that that would happen in your world!) and that heat detectors were not adequate?

I very much doubt that wise would be one of them!

 

[colin todd]

Baldy, so that when you are chief officer of what will by then be the national fire brigade, and you write your memoirs, you can say something like this. " I remember that old duffer, Colin Todd, a  signed copy of whose wee book still has pride of place on the mantleshelf of my nuclear powered fire. I was too narrow minded and set in fire brigade dogma then to listen to him. I just wish I could tell him he was right all along, but sadly he has gone forever. In those days, I could not read between lines and thought that sarcasm was the lowest form of wit, but now I realize that it is the highest form of intelligence" Then, you can pop down to the masonic lodge and toast me with a large lagavulin and ponder carefully why Demontim blew the whistle on his chums and whether he is actually a double agent or just naive.

[Nearlybaldandgrey]

A lovely passage Mr Todd, but you've avoided the question in my last post.

 

[colin todd]

Rephrase the question, Oh hairless one, and I will do my best to enlighten you as I always do, though some falls on stony ground because its not what certain fireman want to hear.

[Clevelandfire 3]

Go on Col dont worry about the feelings of the one firemen you might offend....we always love to hear your opinions seeing as though you are the greatest fire risk assessor in...your own living room

[Nearlybaldandgrey]

It's a simple question really ......

You say Sir Ken is 'wise' and you can't praise him enough.

What words would you be using to describe your beloved Sir Ken if he had decided that heat detectors were not suitable?

[jokar]

Doesn't apply because he didn't!!!  Simple (and I am not taking sides)

[colin todd]

Baldy, why would Sir Ken have done anything as mindless as that, given the case put for the status quo???  It's a bit like saying how would I describe the Pope if he declared that religion was irrelevant in the modern world. As jokar says, it is a kind of non-question.
Remember to read the determination, Bald, and circulate it to everyone you know, as they say there are those who would rather people did not know about it.

[colin todd]

WELL HERE IT IS!!!! THE RESULTS OF THE WAS HE RIGHT WAS HE WRONG POLL.

1. Over 50% of firenet voters believe the Determination was right.
2 Less than 1 in 3 voters think it was wrong.
3. But interestingly, 8% of voters dont trust the determination process, so I will have a new poll on that subject.

[nearlythere]

WELL HERE IT IS!!!! THE RESULTS OF THE WAS HE RIGHT WAS HE WRONG POLL.

1. Over 50% of firenet voters believe the Determination was right.

That was not one of the questions.

Do the results show that 50% of those who responded have in the past been recommending the installation of heat detection in hotel bedrooms and, because there has been so much debate as to whether it was right or wrong, can now go PHEW.

Of course the determination did not say that smoke detection in bedrooms is wrong.