assimilation for specialist ADO's

[Guest]

What are you afraid of? That ex Local Authority Fire Safety officers will find out that their knowledge and experience is just as viable as any other!!
I my self have just moved from a local authority to the fire service, as a safety officer, and much cheaper than the existing lot!! with just as much knowledge, you really do not know you are born! Welcome to the 21st century market place !!!

[Guest]

well, things have certainly been developing while ive been busy doing other things!!

ok, the comments from colin were i believe meant for me, and not as an attack on others, if i were offended by colin i would tell him and im sure he would respond appropriately, the other comments re those employed by a fire authority or a private enterprise or consultancy really need putting into some sort of context, people are people and most people (of an age between 17 and 60) are generally employees, so i have respect for all of them. i also have respect for employers that treat their employees and others decently, so i'd be happy to see a bit more of that on here??

back to the real issue, there is work developing as i type, a sub group is working on role allocation and job sizing which may start to put some flesh on the bones of the june and october agreements. specialist posts will be considered and we are trying to establish how 'weighting' should be applied, it isnt all about the numbers of people that a manager manages. we have some views on this issue and they are shared by those within the group, if anyone has any contributions to that debate then by all means post on here - which was why this thread was 'started', there have been comments about this process being kept 'shrouded in secrecy', the answer to that is quite simple, we have all experienced people rushing off in all directions and acting on snippets and their own interpretations, we are trying to avoid all this, so i certainly dont apologise.

so as i said, please add your comments on the issue of role allocation and weighting of specialist posts (activities to be more accurate)

thanks

dave bev

[colin todd]

Welcome back Davey? Not that its any of my business, but where have you been?

[Mr. P]

Quote: "where have you been".... rumour has it.... to rhyme of pussy cat pussy cat

Dave Bev, Dave Bev,
Where have you been?
Been up to London to visit the Queen
Dave Bev, Dave Bev,
What did you, there?
Collected a Knight hood from under her chair.

No, riddling aside, I think you deserve one for what you get involved with.
Come on guys credit due.

[colin todd]

Sir Davey? It has a certain ring to it, but he couldn't be a commie any more. Although come to think of it, it was ok for old Wedgie Benn, so maybe it would be alright.

[Guest]

shucks guys, and i was starting to think you didnt care!!

not been anywhere other than working hard trying to make sense of and getting a handle on all things ipds - be interested in your thoughts (colin and anyone else who may have something to add) re the workshop next week at the fsc on fire safety role maps, i was supposed to be attending but now have to be at westminster (no im not being imprisoned in the tower or elevated to a high status commie colin) for another issue close to everyones heart !!!!

[colin todd]

Well I for one missed you davey. Unlike marx ( your ole pal karl not groucho you understand) you have a sense of humour. I expect you are going to westminster to help tony organise an iraq branch of the fbu. Gives a new meaning to the phrase 3 strikes and you are dead. As for iddly piddly diddly squat, ask me who has had his fire risk assessment course role mapped (after a bit of extra coverage on property ra and the role of the insurer. Cool eh?

[Guest]

col, youre gonna have to bear with me on this one, fire risk assesment role mapped, sorry non comprendo. i assume you are saying that your course fits against the role map, if so which role map does it fit, or am i missing something. who did the role mapping and against which nos, or is it an nvq against which its been measured.

sorry if i sound confused, its probably because i am!!

feel free to private me oncs@fbu-ho.org.uk (dont be too concerned about emailing an organisation which the govt could trace back to you cos i'll be telling them all about your covert operations to help establish trade union links across the world on tuesday !!! LOL)

hasta la victoria beckham

[colin todd]

Davey, Sending this in haste in a 4 hour window at home between a course for the enforcing authorities in Northern Ireland and a course organised by West Yorks, so must be brief. We do an IFE Approved course on fire risk assesment, which we developed for the Northern Ireland Fire Safety Panel, originally for building control and the fire service in NI. It has taken off to an unprecedented degree, and the NI Fire Safety Panel are now providing it to numerous mainland brigades. (With current bookings alone, we will have provided training for representatives of over a dozen brigades by the end of the year. A number of brigades wanted it mapped against the role maps-principally the one for assessment of fire risk. As it includes a bit on property protection and the role of the insurer, we have extended the material to address this, so it fits more accurately with the fire service's requirement. If you are seriously interested, I will email you further info, so as not to take up space on the BB.

Keep the red flag flying high, etc. How does Victoria whatsername fit in?  I don't think she is a left wing revolutionary, as I doubt she has the intellect.

[Guest]

ok, a bit clearer now. not sure though how they can be matched against any of the role maps until the role maps themselves have been agreed. this is likely to happen at the njc on the 5th along with a host of other stuff with reference to ipds and rank to role job size advice etc.
you may want to check out the work done last week at the fsc re role maps for fire safety officers, although again these will need to be agreed unless they are examples of ways in which the role maps can be met, similar i assume (often wrongly though) that your course offers??

id be pleased to look at your course if you dont mind, mainly for background info etc for myself as opposed to an official view on whether it does meet the role map. i also assume that your course to some extent satisfies the nvq/snvq requirements should an individual wish to go down that route?

dave bev

the victoria stuff is a bit of a skit on the hasta la victoria sempra - which as a dedicated left wing consultant, im sure you are well aware !! LOL

[Guest]

Davey, Probably the best thing to do if you are really interested is give me a ring some time and I will talk you through the background to this fire risk assessment course and what it is intended to achieve. Its a long story that will not interest a lot of readers, but it was first developed for building control and the fire service in Northern Ireland, when they first got the Workplace Regs in 2001, and it received IFE approval. Since then, we have run it 14 times in total, including for a number of fire brigades in Great Britain. Next week we are running it for Dorset.
Colin
ps I still dont get the Victoria bit, but it doesn't matter, she is not my type anyway. My love is already devoted to Joanna Lumley. Up the revolution and your leader's friend Che Gewhatisname.

[Guest]

col, cheers. im busy the next few weeks. at njc and notts for a cfs presentation this week, then off to dear old bridlington for the fireworks, oops, fbu conference! followed by some more work on the role maps and rank 2 role with a few lucky brigades as guinea pigs to test the process, so at best its gonna be at leat 3 weeks before i can honestly spend some time to give your course any consideration at all - and to try to rush in probably wont do it justice. i am pleased that someone is trying to offer quality training - whoever it is. ive been tasked with putting together a presentation for the tuc hazards conference for tuc h&s reps with regards to workplace regs, and to be honest it isnt my 'speciality' - still at least ive got the veritable mr evans to help!!

thanks anyway
best wishes, i'll pass on your kind thoughts!

dave bev

[Guest]

Yo Davey,  If its any help to you, I have a number of Powerpoint presentations that cover the Workplace Regs. I can let you have one or other of these by email if it would save you having to re-invent the wheel. (All I ask in return is that, come the revolution, when Sturmbahnfuhrer Gilchrist is the President of the UK, you put in a good word to make sure a filthy capitalist like me does not have to share a cell with old John P and that if I am deported to a commie gulag its Cuba rather than North Korea.)

[colin todd]

Oops sorry davey, the last message was from me. The computer gits installed a new server over the weekend and messed up all my settings etc.

[Guest]

colin, apparently the world is not for turning (sorry maggie, especially in your anniversary week!!) of course id put in a good word but of course the workers must have their revenge on those who keep them downtrodden. i can however arrange safe passage across the manchester ship canal to che' shire, the new county for cuban exile seekers, for a fee that probably amounts to a couple of powerpoint presentations so i can 'snaffle' the relevant bits and get all the glory for myself of course (because to acknowledge the help of a filthy capitalist would be suicidal come the revolution) - all contributions to the making life easier for dave beverley campaign gratefully accepted!

ps there may be some questions asked re the rro very soon somewhere!!

oncs@fbu-ho.org.uk

dave  bev