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Fire Safety / Re: Regular Inspections of Flat Entrance Doors
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 06, 2021, 07:19:29 PM »
I ask for a sample of doors any way, usually a selection of original doors and any changed ones where possible. Gaining flat access reveals other things you often never know about (as the RP doesn't know) - a recent site (conversion of 19th century building) I went to had been put down as having a superfluous common area only fire alarm and stay put suitable in a past FRA where no flats where accessed yet on entering the sample flats I discovered that the system actually extended into each flat with heat detectors and bells (dating back at least 30-35 years based on the age of the detectors) and exposed wooden beams thus raising the question as to whether the construction should have been so readily assumed to be stay put compatible.

Oddly the system, despite appearing to be late 80's, was a 3-wire 240V system with no panel as common in the early certification days that had 24V Apollo heads off relays/transformers in large boxes
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Fire Safety / Re: Flat entrance fire doors
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 06, 2021, 07:03:21 PM »
Wow, I didn't know they've ever gone to that extent with closers, accelerants through letterboxes isn't uncommon in arson attacks but I'll happily admit I never considered interfering with the s/c to prevent escape and delay rescue!

I must be lucky enough not to go to insalubrious areas where this occurs!
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Fire Safety / Re: Regular Inspections of Flat Entrance Doors
« Last post by Suttonfire on May 06, 2021, 05:56:21 PM »
Thanks,

Is it likely to be a requirement that the RP inspects all flat entrance doors within defined intervals (how can they be assured of that an acceptable standard is being achieved without doing so)? Also, any guidance on what it would be reasonable to expect of the fire risk assessor during the inspection (a representative sample % of doors?).
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Fire Safety / Re: Flat entrance fire doors
« Last post by colin todd on May 05, 2021, 11:49:05 PM »
It allows nasty little scroats to wire the s/c so that people are trapped in their dwelling. Then they can shove burning material through the letterbox.
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Fire Safety / Re: Regular Inspections of Flat Entrance Doors
« Last post by colin todd on May 05, 2021, 11:47:57 PM »
You need to distinguish between what the RP needs to do in checking s/c devices and what the fire risk assessor can be expected to do.
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Fire Safety / Re: Regular Inspections of Flat Entrance Doors
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 04, 2021, 08:22:19 PM »
No, that is to come later, presumably with the publication of the revised "mandatory" guidance. Most of the Act isn't enacted yet and requires further Statutory Instruments to trigger (which weren't there when I last checked this afternoon)
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Fire Safety / Re: Flat entrance fire doors
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 04, 2021, 08:18:51 PM »
It would make inspection easier for sure! Ought to be more common.
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Fire Safety / Re: Regular Inspections of Flat Entrance Doors
« Last post by Suttonfire on May 04, 2021, 02:51:11 PM »
Now that the Bill has been passed, is there  any clear guidance as to requirements to inspect ALL flat entrance doors, and the required frequency of inspections? Is a representative sample of doors acceptable?

All that I can see is that all flat entrance doors are now included within the scope of the RRFSO?
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Fire Safety / Flat entrance fire doors
« Last post by K Lard on May 04, 2021, 09:37:30 AM »
I have seen many self-closing devices on the outside of flat fire doors. From a fire safety point of view is there any reason why they cannot be fitted to the outside particularly when the self-closer fitted on the inside restricts the door from fully opening due to internal dimensions.
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: Bunding of Adblue
« Last post by Dinnertime Dave on April 22, 2021, 10:06:42 PM »
The FRA should be looking at the general fire precautions. Storage and use should be addresses via H&S assessments including the need to address DSEAR.

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