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Fire Safety / Re: PI and PL insurance unable to renew Hiscox.
« Last post by memnon on September 06, 2023, 06:15:04 PM »
No don't think so. I know a few people who they have stopped insuring, but the company insurance appears to be continuing. Are you a sole trader or limited company?
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Fire Safety / Re: PI and PL insurance unable to renew Hiscox.
« Last post by Messy on September 06, 2023, 03:32:45 PM »
Worried by this news as I am a customer, I just managed a quote from them in the last few minutes using  - albeit for PI only

So is it just the PL they are stopping?
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Fire Safety / PI and PL insurance unable to renew Hiscox.
« Last post by memnon on September 06, 2023, 01:55:26 PM »
Been insured as a sole trader with Hiscox since 2012. They have now said that they will no longer be insuring me, as Fire Risk is something they are moving away from. Any suggestions for other companies ?
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Technical Advice / Re: ladder in external escape route
« Last post by mosh on August 24, 2023, 08:00:05 AM »
Thanks, Anthony, for your helpful reply.
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Technical Advice / Re: ladder in external escape route
« Last post by AnthonyB on August 23, 2023, 08:57:51 PM »
Such torturous routes were very common last century as the only way in very old city centres (often found in London, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool & Birmingham) of giving existing landlocked buildings a second MoE & was considered better than nothing, along with hatches and doors in party walls, etc.

However guidance has been set against this sort of thing for a long time and the FP Act guides deprecated them too.

Having said that even current guidance accepts ladders, etc - but only in exceptional circumstances.

ADB
Fixed ladders should not be provided as a means of escape for members of the public. They should only be provided where a conventional stair is impractical, such as for access to plant rooms which are not normally occupied.

DCLG/HO
While not normally acceptable, the use of ladders, floor hatches, wall hatches or window exits may be suitable for small numbers of able-bodied, trained staff in exceptional circumstances. (more or less mirroring the FP Act guide other than a prescriptive number which I believe used to be 5 without digging them out)

So I would ask - who are they expecting the route to be used by?

"signed off under fire regulations" implies, as we don't have fire certificates, that either they are fibbing or the broken building control process has just cracked again if this has been accepted for a normal escape for building occupiers as oppose to a plant room or similar (where they are common)
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Technical Advice / ladder in external escape route
« Last post by mosh on August 23, 2023, 07:32:48 PM »
Are ladders acceptable in external escape routes?

I have seen a 5-storey office block, with an office that occupies the 2 top floors (third and fourth floors). Exit from the office is only via the third floor, but they have a small roof terrace (on the roof above the fourth floor), with a ladder (about 6 -7 rungs going up over a wall, and then a small landing and then a ladder going down again the other side of the wall) that leads to the roof of the neighbouring block, which they can access as an alternative route.

I understood that ladders are no longer acceptable - and this is a building that was only constructed about 3 years ago. They said that it was signed off under fire regulations after the building was completed.

Am I missing something?
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Technical Advice / Re: Smoke vents in separate part of corridor
« Last post by wee brian on August 10, 2023, 03:14:48 PM »
Hi - The principal adopted in ADB 2006 was to put a vent in the corridor adjacent to the stair so that smoke was less likely to enter the stairway.

Naturally venting a corridor doesn't do much for the tenability in the corridor (you need something more sophisticated to do that).
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General Interest / two staircases
« Last post by colin todd on July 25, 2023, 09:39:05 PM »
Now announced that England is to have 2 stairways for new blocks of flats over 18m.
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General Interest / Peeps Judicial Review
« Last post by colin todd on July 21, 2023, 10:07:09 PM »
The long-awaited decision by the High Court in the Judicial Review action by campaigners, Cladag, against the Home Office re Government decision on PEEPS has now been published.

The bottom line of the judgement is this:

"This was essentially a political decision for the defendant to take and was not in breach of the requirements of public law and procedural fairness. It must have been desperately disappointing for the claimants and many others that the carefully considered PEEPs recommendations contained in the Phase 1 Report have not been implemented, but it was not an unlawful decision.
The claim is dismissed."

The full judgement can be read here:
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2023/1794.html
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Technical Advice / Re: fire service intervention in evacuation of a premises
« Last post by colin todd on July 01, 2023, 12:07:05 AM »
Davey, I think you miss the point. I am sure that you and your only cronies you worked with after leaving the 3rd best FRS in the whole of London were all males of the species, because there were no female fire safety officers who had done their 30 years soft labour. So, as the correct terminology for an old fashioned lift designed for FRS use is a firemen's, lift, so you and your old cronies were firemen, having joined as such. Anyhow, it is a biological fact that most females could not reach the 130 dB(A) response to any challenge to their fire safety demands, as adopted by your generation of I/Os.

When you finish Mrs Messey's list of DIY, why dont you think about working for me part time.
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